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Schunda tarogato

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Hi all--
I just managed to pick up what appears to be an original Schunda tarogato on eBay international. I hesitated to bid at first, because it is incredibly difficult to find any information on Schunda's instruments. V.J. Schunda is credited as the inventor of the modern tarogato, though Janos Stowasser also makes the claim, and they filed similar patents within days of each other. But there are many Stowasser instruments out there, and pictures and info on them, whereas Schunda instruments are seemingly very rare.

I did find some pictures of a Schunda tarogato on the page of the Horiman collection, and there are telltale similarities between it and the one that I bought, including identical maker's marks, and similar design of tenon rings and key design, but there are large differences as well, in design of the key touches particularly. If this is a Schunda instrument, it must be a very late one, because the pinky key touches are flat with rollers, reminiscent of the late Stowasser design, but the double octave key is unique and clearly an original design. In any case it appears to be a very high quality instrument, and is in incredibly good shape.

If anyone here has any info on Schunda tarogatos or knows anyone who might be knowledgeable about them, please do let me know.

Toby
 
#3 ·
Stephen Fox has to be one of the persons knowing more about the tarogato since he makes one (actually at least two models) too.

that's what he writes on his page ( I am quoting some of the content)

http://www.sfoxclarinets.com/Tarogatoart.html

"........The new tárogató could be roughly described as a soprano saxophone - in the Schunda design the bore proportions and taper angle are in fact exactly the same as in contemporary soprano saxophones - with the body made of wood, and with keywork modelled on that of simple German clarinets (the fingering pattern is similar in principle to what is known as the "Albert system" in North America and the "simple system" in the U.K.) The mechanism featured a single octave key, a ring key on the lower joint but none on the upper, and a range down to low Bb, the key for which was operated by the right thumb. The mouthpiece was smaller than a soprano saxophone's, and was intended to use (German) clarinet reeds.
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A number of other Hungarian woodwind makers followed Schunda's lead in producing tárogatók, with some variations in mechanism and materials. The most highly reputed maker was János Stowasser (1865-19??), whose instruments are still prized today. Stowasser tárogatók have somewhat more complex keywork than Schunda's - they all have two octave keys (usually operated by separate thumb touchpieces, though occasionally fully automatic as on the saxophone) and a ring key on the upper joint - and they have a slightly steeper bore taper angle, with a smaller diameter at the top end.

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#4 ·
Stephen Fox has to be one of the persons knowing more about the tarogato since he makes one (actually at least two models) too.

that's what he writes on his page ( I am quoting some of the content)

http://www.sfoxclarinets.com/Tarogatoart.html

"........The new tárogató could be roughly described as a soprano saxophone - in the Schunda design the bore proportions and taper angle are in fact exactly the same as in contemporary soprano saxophones - with the body made of wood, and with keywork modelled on that of simple German clarinets (the fingering pattern is similar in principle to what is known as the "Albert system" in North America and the "simple system" in the U.K.) The mechanism featured a single octave key, a ring key on the lower joint but none on the upper, and a range down to low Bb, the key for which was operated by the right thumb. The mouthpiece was smaller than a soprano saxophone's, and was intended to use (German) clarinet reeds.

A number of other Hungarian woodwind makers followed Schunda's lead in producing tárogatók, with some variations in mechanism and materials. The most highly reputed maker was János Stowasser (1865-19??), whose instruments are still prized today. Stowasser tárogatók have somewhat more complex keywork than Schunda's - they all have two octave keys (usually operated by separate thumb touchpieces, though occasionally fully automatic as on the saxophone) and a ring key on the upper joint - and they have a slightly steeper bore taper angle, with a smaller diameter at the top end.

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The Schunda I found is not delivered yet, but I have pictures. It looks a lot like this one:

http://www.horniman.ac.uk/collections/browse-our-collections/object/122448/page/1

Of course it does not have the metal plate on the bell, but the maker's stamp is identical. So too are the tenon rings and certain elements of the keywork. For one thing, all the Schunda instruments I have seen are rather unique in having the long arms of the both the low B and C# keys arch over the Eb keycup. Most tarogotok follow the Stowasser pattern of having the C# arm arcing around the cup.

This is a two ring instrument, but with double octave key of very unique design on a single axle, an adaptation of the single vertical key on the back.

What is strange are the pinky touches. Early Schundas had rounded touches without rollers. The Horiman instrument has slightly rounded keys with ebonite rollers, similar to modern Romanian instruments. But this instrument has flat key touches reminiscent of later Stowassers, with metal rollers. Not only that, this instrument has the alternate left hand Eb touch, and furthermore all three LH keys are mounted on a single axle. Altogether very unique IME. If it is real, it must be one of the latest of his instruments.

Yes, it comes with a mouthpiece, which appears to be in good shape. Overall the instrument seems to be in excellent shape--needs corks and possibly pads, but no cracks (except a small chip at the bell, and wood and metal looking almost new.

More when I receive the horn...