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Are pad savers safe to use?

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Dave, you seem to assume that the moisture inside the sax is distilled water and inert. For you, that might be close, i.e. condensation, same as for me. However there are other considerations:
1. Many players blow a little or a lot of saliva into their instrument. Some blow sugar, beer or food down as well. (Some even blow snot or dribble over the outside!!! One of my customers euphemistically says he is a "wet blower".)
2. Saliva contains all manner of material that does not help pads. For example, minerals that remain when the moisture evaporates, gradually building up solid deposits, much the same way as a stalactite is deposited. These solid deposits on pads are unhelpful for sealing. Absorbed into the pads makes the leather and felt harden. Both of these are major reasons for pad replacement. They are the reason why the Eb pad is one of the first to die.
3. Exhaled breath contains significant CO2. This dissolved in the condensed moisture is carbonic acid. This contributes to corrosion of brass.

No, pad savers do not do a perfect job, but neither does any other method. They assist in removing some of the damaging agents that might otherwise find their way to pads.

Many brands have some cotton tufts which leave lint on pads. That is damaging in that if the lint gets on the sealing line it creates a small dent, i.e. leak, in the pad.
HW brand does not drop fluff. To check this I.... Why repeat myself: See https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?67440-your-veiw-on-pad-savers/page4&p=909168#post909168

Pablitus, there are 104 posts to read here: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?349988-Are-pad-savers-safe-to-use
 
jman: Your parsing of what is and what is not my OPINION is boring and has nothing to do with the use of swabs and pad savers. That's why I decided not to reply. Give it a rest, please.

Gordon: Thanks for the comments . . . I've always found your posts to be informative.
Thanks, Dave.

Even if the moisture inside a saxophone may be corrosive, and even if the moisture eventually leads to a deterioration of the pad, I'm thinking that those processes would take SO long that the results could be considered diminimus (did I spell that correctly?).
I'd say that apart from adjustment, around 50% of a technicians' work on saxes is replacing pads that have hardened to a state where they can no longer be made to seal.
(I have decades-old stock pads that have not hardened. So itis use or abuse that makes them harden.
As Saxoclese points out, the palm keys and Eb are far more subject to wetness than the rest, and these harden long before the others.

If your pads are not hardening then I suspect it is because you swallow all your saliva (like I do but many players don't), and play (rather than "live") in an environment where there is little condensation in the sax.

One aspect perhaps not mentioned in this thread yet, is that experience with leather boots and with a leather pump washer in a garden sprayer has suggested to me that a repeated cycle of wet/dry seems to do more damage to leather than being constantly wet or constantly dry.
I suggest that this may be a reason for keeping some degree of moisture in the case, hence justification for leaving a pad saver inside the sax mor inside the instrument, providing that in one's climate, mold is not an issue.
Mold is far more of an issue with clarinet pads, probably because of far less air circulation within the case and around the fibres of a good pad saver. This is why, in my climate, I cannot recommend pad savers for clarinet.
 
My experience is the same. I thrust an HW in and out of my sax 3000 times over a large sheet of white paper. Not a hint of lint.