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shimming and fluffing pads

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When I install pads, I try to get all the variables that I can think of in line. Basically that means, I level the tone hole and the pad cup. Then, I dry fit the pad doing any bending that is necessary to align the pad cup (with the pad in it) to the tone hole. After that I check the pad cup for level etc..

Then, when all is right with the world and the pad slips in without adhesive, I put some shellac behind the pad and install it.

Even after all that aligning and leveling I still find it necessary to heat the cup and press the high spots on the pad into the shellac. Then, the last bit of leak removal, which is very small, is done by fluffing. I consider fluffing to be heating the pad cup and pulling the low spots to the tone hole.
 
Just to keep the other side of this discussion alive, I have to mention that fluffing is still, IMO, a fine way to get the tiniest leaks out of a pad. Certainly it's not the way to align the pad to the tone hole but, to remove little teeny-tiny leaks I thinks it's just fine. In fact I know of no other technique that works as well to take out miniature leaks at the end of padding.

I've never installed a pad that could not have been made more level. Every pad I've ever installed leaks to some tiny degree and every horn that I overhaul leaks when I give it back to the player. I think it's impossible that one could ever install a pad made of felt and leather and not have it leak to some degree. It may not leak air when the player plays or when gravity or a spring is holding the pad closed but, when I lower the pad to the tone hole in a pitch black room so slowly, one part of that pad hits the tone hole before the others. If I let gravity hold the pad shut maybe the light is gone but at some level, that pad leaks. I think we could spend our lives on one horn or even one pad trying to make it better and better. That said, how is everyone getting out the tiniest little leaks at the end of their padding jobs. Is it possible that we're not talking about the same procedure here or that we are talking about different levels leak removal?


Gordon, as far as manufacturers go, I don't really get that point. This year I've overhauled 3 Selmer Series IIIs. This summer I have two more coming. Two of them were brand new from the box. The players just wanted me to overhaul them using my pads and my tuning techniques. The horns both leaked badly from the box and there was not too much glue behind the pads. I don't believe that the manufacturers are the place to look for inspiration when setting up a horn. I've also done some new Yamahas and they leak too. In fact, I repaired tone holes, key work, reppadded and set up all of these horns. They played great when I was done but only played OK when they came to me.
 
Just to be clear, gravity is a good way for me to tell someone how much pressure to put on a pad when checking for leaks. If I say, as I did in my post, that the pressure of gravity is sealing the pad but that's not good enough, it allows a person to understand how much pressure I'm talking about putting on the pad when leak checking. Some people will say a horn "does not leak" but they are looking for leaks using a lot of pressure on the pad. Of course that will not work, hence the gravity analogy.

As fas as manufactures go, I've always known them to bend pad cups to level pads. I've not found this to be a good way of leveling pads. Mind you I have nothing against bending pad cups but if they are already level and oriented to the tone hole, I try not to do it.


I guess my original question was, "how is everyone is taking out the teeniest little leaks at the end of their pad job." I do as much prep as anyone I know of and I still need to move the pads around to get those crazy small leaks to be even smaller. They never go away, the room can always get darker, the light brighter or the feeler thinner.

At the end of your pad job, If you're not heating up the pad cup, softening the shellac then moving the pad a tiny bit in local areas to get the tiny leaks out, what is everyone doing?