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#1 ·
How many working players out there have back-up horns. I keep thinking I should buy another tenor but the reality is that I've used the same horn for 20 years and have never needed a back-up.
 
#2 ·
I do.
It depends on your criteria. If you feel a back-up horn should be the same or at least as good as your gigging horn then it's going to be an expensive proposition.
If all you need is a horn that 'will do' for the odd gig, then you needn't splash out a great deal.
My back-up tenor is a BW - a Chinese horn. It lives in the boot (trunk) of the car. I've never 'needed' to use it yet, but it's there in case I do...and it comes in handy for those gigs where things might get a bit rowdy.
If there's a caveat it's that the one time your main horn fails it will be just before the gig where you really need 'that sound', and nothing else will do.

Regards,
 
#5 ·
Yeah, unless you don't know what to do with your money, it's really not necessary to have a back up.
In the 25 years I've played professionally, it's never happened that my horn gave up on me just before a gig. If it ever did happen, I could always borrow one.
 
#6 ·
How does a horn give up on you? I had never heard of backup horns until reading of it on this forum. I guess it makes since for tours where your horn is with all the gear, and could become a speed bump.... Is that the type of scenario it's for? Or is this what we tell our wives to justify buying more horns? ;). Just curious, thanks
 
#11 ·
Same way that a car does.
If you don't have it regularly serviced it can end up being a bit of a gamble knowing when something's going to fail.
In most cases it might only result in a poor tone or some trouble getting the low notes etc. - but I've had late-night calls from clients asking me what to do with a pillar that's just dropped off.

It's by no means a 'must have', but I always feel more comfortable on a gig knowing I have a backup handy.

Regards,
 
#7 ·
I'm not a "working pro" but I do play in a big band where if one part is missing it's pretty obvious.

I play tenor 1 in that band, and I have two horns, just in case. I'm taking my Selmer into the shop today, it's developed some play in the keywork, causing intermittent leaks. Since I have a backup, I can still play on Sunday. For me, borrowing another sax is a royal pain. I've been given loaners that were worse off than what I was getting fixed.

My stance on the matter is that so long as I'm in a group where if I'm not there my part is not covered, I should have an extra horn. Is it absolutely necessary, no... but it does give me a good deal of peace of mind. My wife is also a sax player, and has no problem with me bringing home another horn, so long as the bills are paid. I feel it's a win win for both of us.
 
#8 ·
I do have backup clarinet for open air gigs, to avoid rain or direct sunlight on the horn's wood. It is a Resotone 3 synth clarinet. It turns out to have a lot of projection, so it really does the job, and I use it a lot.
I also have a low end Jupiter alto, but almost never use it. I'm thinking of doing the same on tenor, with whatever Jupiter or YTS-275 comes across. But I'm not really rushing: saxes are less sensitive to bad weather than clarinets.
 
#9 ·
I have two tenors, and I am glad for it. Right now my tech is quite busy, and I need some work done on one of them. Instead of asking him to rush (which may or may not cost more), I can just play the other tenor and put the repair job on the back burner.

I guess I have a "My tech is backed-up horn." :bluewink:
 
#10 ·
I have a bar horn that I use when I just don't want to worry about my good horn. A lot of times I ride my scooter to gigs. I won't do that with my MarkVI.
I don't have worry about drunks or drummers knocking over my horn or that if I walk away it will sprout legs.
After a few different horns I found an old Yanagisawa T5 that feels really close to my Selmer. Of course it doesn't quite sound the same, but once you start playing in a loud band with a guitar player, any sort of nuance is lost anyway.
Have a good horn stolen and you will appreciate the worry free back up horn.
 
#12 ·
I have a backup horn. I don't take it to the gig, but since I also play wind synth, if something happens to my tenor I can make the rest of the night using the wind synth.

I bring a spare wind controller and sound module to each gig. They are small and I can play the sax, flute, and limp through lead guitar parts on the wind controller.

I use the backup horn for outdoor gigs near the Atlantic Ocean's salt air, and when either horn has to go into the shop for routine maintenance, I have the other one to gig with.

Notes ♫
 
#13 ·
I think it is probably some of both. Here in Colorado we have very few really good techs and at times it can be difficult to get your horn worked on in a convenient way. In my case, the best work in northern Colorado is done by Tim Glesmann at Sax Alley. At this point he typically sets up a time for you to bring your horn in and he works on it while you wait almost like a doctor's appointment. For me it's a 45 minute trip each way, and I'm close to his shop relatively speaking. An hour and a half round trip travel time plus the same in the shop ( which often proves costly since you have plenty of time to try other horns and mouthpieces) and you're looking a 3+ hours. It was closer to 5 when I was living south of Denver, and this is all assuming the work can be done while you wait.

I enjoy going up there and spending some time at the shop but not everyone has that kind of time available in their schedule not to mention if I called Tim today he'd likely give me an appointment 2 weeks out- not great if you have something serious wrong.

Personnally, I don't worry about this and I own several horns just because I like playing different ones from time-to-time but I don't make my living just playing sax either. In the end, like most of the things on this forum, it really comes down the particular individual and their situation.
 
#18 ·
I have an old, plastic Bundy clarinet that I use for outdoor gigs or when I have to drive to a gig when the temps here in the mid-western US are in the sub-zero range. Otherwise, I play the R-13.

I bought a YTS-61 for outdoor gigs a couple of years ago so that I wouldn't have to use my recently overhauled SBA. The phone's not ringing as much these days so I don't really need an "alternate tenor." I'll probably sell it and just be more careful with the SBA.

Best advice: What are you comfortable with and what does your checkbook tell you?
 
#19 ·
I have a back-up tenor which has become my main horn. I have found it handy to have another for when the other tenor is in the shop. It only seems to be a factor a couple of times a year as my tech is pretty good at fixing up my horn quickly.
 
#20 ·
I have back-ups for all my horns except for my bari. One night during a show a trombone player's slide hit my tenor's neck (on a stand while I was on alto), knocked it onto the floor and screwed up the palm keys. Fortunately the gig was about 2 miles from my house and Mrs. Sidepipes was able to fetch my backup tenor and "on with the show".
 
#21 ·
I have back-ups for all my horns except for my bari. One night during a show a trombone player's slide hit my tenor's neck (on a stand while I was on alto), knocked it onto the floor and screwed up the palm keys.
Yet another reason not to play alto!

Tenor - It's all that matters.
 
#23 ·
I definitely have a backup horn. I have a backup tenor and a backup bari. When you play 5-6 nights a week, you can't afford to be down for even a day. Borrowing is not a good idea in my opinion. Whenever I borrow a horn, that seems to be the time it falls off the stand or something. Then you're stuck spending money to fix a horn that isn't even yours. Plus, having a backup horn means I can lend it to another brother in need should the situation arise.
 
#24 ·
I have multiple of several horns. I’m not sure I’d call them backups. It’s more of I like having the horns that I need the backups, but for the times that my horns are beings serviced, it is nice to have. That said, I play a 10M in the big band I play in but otherwise play a VI. I like having the 10M for those gigs.
 
#26 ·
I'm torn on this question; most of my life I just had a tenor. There is something to be said for playing the same horn all the time. Once I bought a cheap horn in nice shape when I had to send my main one off for an overhaul, then sold it when I got my horn back. Later on I finally got a nice alto but still had just the one tenor. During this time I playing a lot too, but the six-nighters were a thing of the past. That really ages a sax. Next came my first 'back-up' tenor, a Selmer USA. The original neck was in great condition but was awful - if I didn't have a replacement MK VI neck to try, I would not have been able to use the horn - but fortunately, that neck was very good on it. I soon got a baritone too, then a soprano.
So the real question is whether or not you 'need' a back-up for your principle instrument. I'd say that depends entirely on how much you play, and whether you always work from home or you tour.
I find myself now with a back-up that I'd rather play than my #1. The good thing about that is, I'll sooner or later swing the other way and play the VI for a few months. I do use the same mouthpiece on both. The bad thing about this is every horn is different - I know its true that if you stick to the same horn you will usually be better/more accurate, but in my situation of nearing the end of my playing time, I'm going for the fun. I don't care about the future or my 'career'. I just want to play whichever tenor suits my fancy on a given night. As far as having all the other saxes, playing them does not seem to affect my tenor playing even though mostly the mouthpieces are wildly different from the tenor and from each other. I said in another thread that I believe you get used to a certain mouthpiece on each sax and this does not cross you up going directly from horn to horn. For example, I played Level Air on tenor, alto and bari for many years. After I changed to Guardala on tenor and alto in 1989, after I started using it on tenor I could no longer play the Level Air. I mean I could make it play but it was just too 'foreign' - after using it for 23 years! Now here's the strange part - I can happily play Level Air on baritone and go directly back and forth with no problem!
Anyway, there are different ways to approach the back-up horn, and I think most guys are like me - we end up with two or more principle saxes and they both/all play great. The other way, which is probably not worth the trouble, is to have an 'emergency' principle sax that you really don't like that much but will get you through a gig. I think most of us will not keep a horn that 'won't blow' and/or just doesn't cut it on your gig - it's pointless.
 
#27 ·
As a professional musician that's bad with my money... I think having a spare horn isn't a bad idea. When I've got a little extra money I invest it in a horn. Then if something happens to my main horn while I'm flat broke, I've got the other to last me for a while. Or, if I'm really broke, I sell it. Then a couple years later when I have some extra money, I start over.
Kind of how I treat sopranos in general.
Recently picked up a Toneking Exclusive tenor that's in the shop now. Even needing an overhaul it sounded great and played easier and more in tune than my Conn. I might use it on gigs that are mostly reading. We'll see how it sounds when it's not leaking profusely...
 
#28 ·
Depends on your financial situation. If possible, have a backup. Sooner or later, your main horn will need major work or an overhaul. No really good repair person will get it back to you fast. The ideal backup is an exact duplicate of your regular horn, but it can be prohibitively expensive.
If you need all your money to pay bills, pay bills. If you have liquid cash, a spare horn isn't the worst way to spend it. Money in the bank doesn't earn much interest today, but a carefully chosen musical instrument will go up in value.
The next time you play a sax and think "Wow, this plays great for a horn this cheap," buy it! Then keep an eye out for a sax that beats your #2 horn and sell #2 to finance the purchase. Play your cards right and you'll have good stuff without spending money.
Never sell your #1 horn unless you spend a loooong time making sure you have something better. With a spare horn you can do that. Also, when you know your best saxophone needs a lot of work, you'll be able to allow your repairman time enough to do his best. Often you don't need a new horn, you just need a good repair job.