You sound great, man. Only criticism: using the sheet for your classical rep.
I don't understand that criticism. Classical players, generally play with music, except for pianists. Tradition is that non-pianists memorize concertos, not entire recitals.Razzy said:You sound great, man. Only criticism: using the sheet for your classical rep.
Go to any chamber music concert. In piano trios, even the pianist uses music. I don't think the Beaux Arts Trio players, for example, are 'entry level', and they always use music.Razzy said:That's not how I hear it... maybe entry level students. But in serious classical programs I think that the students are generally expected to memorize their recital material. It depends on your standards. I did a recital in the spring featuring Syrinx (on the flute), the entire Tableaux de Provence, and the Glazunov from memory... and I am a jazz player first. It's really not THAT difficult.
Oh, I am totally going to use that as an excuse!Carl H. said:Just because there is music on the stand, don't assume the player is reading it. Sometimes it is there as a roadmap or something to focus on so you aren't distracted by the audience.
This is very true, Carl, but not always.Carl H. said:Just because there is music on the stand, don't assume the player is reading it. Sometimes it is there as a roadmap or something to focus on so you aren't distracted by the audience.
I generally have any solo work memorized, but I still use music when possible. Even if I don't read it I have it on a stand.hakukani said:This is very true, Carl, but not always.
I saw the Beaux Arts Trio at the Ravinia Festival a few years ago. They were playing the Rachmaninoff Trio. The page turner for Menachem Pressler, the pianist, turned more than one page, and the music came to a halt. The page turner was replaced for the next piece.
This was what I was thinking of in my reply above.
Maybe you should try IU. You don't have to memorize your recital there. I hear it's a pretty good school, too.troz99 said:I didn't realize that I was going to start a whole debate on memorizing the music. Just to let you guys know why I didn't. CSU San Bernardino is buy no means a serious classical program. I had always thought that I was going to have to memorize a bunch of music for my senior recital, I knew it was that way at CSU Northridge. I found out that at this school, you don't have to memorize so I didn't. I know that If I ever choose to go on to a masters program in either jazz or classical, I will have to play any solo recitals from memory. I don't think it's that big of a deal but I'm always more impressed when someone plays a good recital from memory.
Thank you guys for the positive comments. Honeyboy- thanks for the Coltrane comparison.
I played junior and senior recitals at IU and a master's recital at USC in the mid 1970's, and memorizing the pieces was not even considered. I don't know of anyone who memorized recital programs at either school (not including pianists). Maybe times are different now. I did memorize Weber's "Concertino" when I played it as a senior in high school.hakukani said:Maybe you should try IU. You don't have to memorize your recital there. I hear it's a pretty good school, too.![]()
I have heard it said that it's an "audience thing", part of the "marketing" of music. If true, I think it;s a shame. The underlying idea would be that the performers are giving an impression that they are making it up as they go along. I'm talking "classical music" here, of cou rse.Carl H. said:I generally have any solo work memorized, but I still use music when possible. Even if I don't read it I have it on a stand.
If memory is an ego thing, get over yourself. If it is a requirement, then get busy. Do what is best for the performance and move on to the next thing.
I wasn't talking about ensembles, just soloists. And for me it's just that I don't really know a solo piece (of whatever kind) until I have it completely memorized, I feel like it's a disservice to the music if I don't. Whatever others consider "unnecessary", I haven't seen James Galway, Josh Bell, or Yo-Yo Ma use sheet music in serious solo performances. Not to compare myself to such great musicians at all, but to understand WHY they do it that way and try to employ this in my playing.hakukani said:Go to any chamber music concert. In piano trios, even the pianist uses music. I don't think the Beaux Arts Trio players, for example, are 'entry level', and they always use music.
The Glaznouv is a concerto, and so should be done from memory. Since Syrinx is an unaccompanied piece, memorization is optional. To memorize the Tableaux is unnecessary.
There are no rules, only traditions.
Chamber music includes Sonatas (single instrument with keyboard), which is basically what Tableaux is.Razzy said:I wasn't talking about ensembles, just soloists. And for me it's just that I don't really know a solo piece (of whatever kind) until I have it completely memorized, I feel like it's a disservice to the music if I don't. Whatever others consider "unnecessary", I haven't seen James Galway, Josh Bell, or Yo-Yo Ma use sheet music in serious solo performances. Not to compare myself to such great musicians at all, but to understand WHY they do it that way and try to employ this in my playing.
Obviously opinion is going to vary on this depending on your playing situations and your capacity/timeframe in which to prepare your music. But to me using the music for something as great as the Glazunov or as simple as Syrinx in a solo performance would be like using the real book for Blue Bossa...
This is what I have a problem with. No one can argue with what you said here. YOU probably are doing a disservice to the music if YOU don't memorize it, if that is what you think. That doesn't mean that OTHERS can do great without memorizing it. Some people are just really terrible at memorizing. I've heard great solos played with sheet music and bad ones played by memorizing, and vise versa. So I think you shouldn't generalize and just look at each performance individually.Razzy said:I wasn't talking about ensembles, just soloists. And for me it's just that I don't really know a solo piece (of whatever kind) until I have it completely memorized, I feel like it's a disservice to the music if I don't.
Again these are individuals who are doing what THEY think is best. It works for them and that's great. The problem is when some people have already "built in" conceptions that don't allow them to judge objectively (i.e. some "knows" it's better to memorize so if someone doesn't, it automatically becomes inferior). So I don't think whether anyone memorizing or not has anything to do with anyone else doing it or not.Razzy said:Whatever others consider "unnecessary", I haven't seen James Galway, Josh Bell, or Yo-Yo Ma use sheet music in serious solo performances. Not to compare myself to such great musicians at all, but to understand WHY they do it that way and try to employ this in my playing.
This is definitely not the same. When you are playing [any written piece] you are playing something that is completely composed already. When you are playing Blue Bossa you are not playing what is written at all, but actually composing.Razzy said:Obviously opinion is going to vary on this depending on your playing situations and your capacity/timeframe in which to prepare your music. But to me using the music for something as great as the Glazunov or as simple as Syrinx in a solo performance would be like using the real book for Blue Bossa...
Well I have (Galway) as well as Jean Pierre Rampal, Hermann Bauman, Yehudi Menuhin and any number of superb wind soloists. I've never noticed a lack-lustre response from an audience that was based on anything other than the musical quality of the performance.Razzy said:I haven't seen James Galway, Josh Bell, or Yo-Yo Ma use sheet music in serious solo performances.