And plastic! Brass (which is what your gold and silver saxes are really made of) is an ideal alloy. It's relatively cheap and can take working into the complex shape of a saxophone without becoming brittle. It has good strength to weight ration in the thin sheets used for instrument making. It also polishes up well and when lacquered can look like gold. It also takes electro plating pretty well.
Grafton made a very good plastic sax, and there is a modern sax maker making another attempt.
That's because you weld onto aluminum. Plastic is the same way. Welding (either by heat or by chemical).Yeah,I read about the vibrato sax too, but wouldn't aluminum be better? I mean it is very soft too, and very very light weight (just like titanium); it only does not respond well to soldering.
...can be duly ignored. Yeah, I know if I went back to school to take some courses (in all of my spare time)... that class would be right at the top of my list.... Ever consider taking a course in Selection of Engineering Materials?
I don't understand this. Surely it has been discussed ad nauseam that material makes no difference to the sound, and that saxophones don't "resonate" in the way percussion or string instruments do.Resonance has to be considered too. In flutemaking, the metal needs to be both hard and dense thus nickel is the best for cheapness and playability. Brass won't work well for flute thinness. Silver or gold would be good for saxes except it is just too expensive. Aluminum is just too dull sounding so for now brass saxes tend to be the norm.
I've got an ali. flute. It's not great, by any means, but neither does it sound dull.Resonance has to be considered too. In flutemaking, the metal needs to be both hard and dense thus nickel is the best for cheapness and playability. Brass won't work well for flute thinness. Silver or gold would be good for saxes except it is just too expensive. Aluminum is just too dull sounding so for now brass saxes tend to be the norm.
Well said!My understanding of aluminium (I'm not a metallurgist) is that because you can't work it in sheet form like you can with brass or copper or silver you would have to either extrude it (hard for bent conical shapes) or cast the shape in a mould. The walls would be much thicker than a brass instrument. The plastic Vibratosax is made up of sections welded together with reinforcing rings.
After 150 years of making saxophones mainly from brass you can bet that the reason that they're not made from other metals is NOT because no one thought of it. It's because brass is cheap, light, easy to work, presentable and durable. Moulded plastic may be the way of the future, but other metals? I don't think so. None ticks all the boxes.
Well, perhaps different metals make a smaller impact to the sound than the wood from a woodwind or guitar.Don't want to beat the dead horse too much, but there is no good evidence that materials make any difference to the sound. In terms of flutes, this is a worthwhile study:
'Tests with experienced professional flutists and listeners and one model of a flute made by Muramatsu from 7 different materials showed no evidence that the wall material has any appreciable effect on the sound color or dynamic range of the instrument. The common stereotypes used by flutists and flute makers are exposed as “stereotypes”.'
The Uebel aluminum (aluminium) flute is a totally decent instrument....And Galway likes to play one made out of concrete just to show that it sounds fine, too.
Er, yes of course, they are different saxophones. That doesn't make it the material that causes the difference.I'm not saying that blindfolded you can hear what kind of material the sax is made of, but if you'd A/B say a copper sax to a nickel one, you will hear some differences.
I can'tEven if they did not, just the fact that a sax vibrates as you play though it, and you can feel that,
Could that explain why I keep falling over backwards when I play?When the sound waves exit the sax's horn, the horn gets pushed back by the back pressure of the sound wave.
Of course there's a difference. They different horns, so that's why. It has nothing to do with the material being used.Well, perhaps different metals make a smaller impact to the sound than the wood from a woodwind or guitar.
I do believe the type of metal does make a difference, in the higher frequencies and at louder volumes,
it is audible, and recognizable for trained ears and in the studio.
I'm not saying that blindfolded you can hear what kind of material the sax is made of, but if you'd A/B say a copper sax to a nickel one, you will hear some differences.
Well then it appears you either can not feel anything, or you're just playing plain old ignorant.I can't
Could that explain why I keep falling over backwards when I play?