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I have found a really nice silver sonic super 20 alto and I'm thinking about selling one of my mark vi altos for it


what do you like/dislike about the ones you play/ have ??
 

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It's completely personal, assuming both are good examples.
I've always thought of the difference as this: saxophone is a cross breed between reed and brass. Selmer is more reed, King is more brass. Maybe the S20 has more fundamental in the sound, the VI has more harmonics?
To me the VI is more complex and refined. In the right room the King's are incredible.

I've been told that by some repair guys that Kings can be a little more finicky when it comes to getting setup right and probably require a little more maintenance.

If you can try it for a few days do that. If you can get someone whose ears you trust to give an external listen do that too, or make a simple recording so you can hear the sound externally, not through the bones in your head.

I haven't had my S20 for very long and it hasn't really grown on me to the point where it's #1. Though I like it, I would take the VI to most gigs.
As you probably know, given 2 horns in equally good condition, the VI's are worth more. The relative values depend on vintage and condition on both horns.
It's like being faced with a menu that has lots of things that are great.
Up to you.
But, if you particularly like the VI you have, I'd bet that you'll regret getting rid of it later.
 

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i would not sell a mk6 to buy any super20-and my name is super20dan! the mk6 is a better horn in every way. owning a super20 is for prestiege -at least the silversonics anyway. the silver looks pretty but does nothing to enhance the horns playing ability
 

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super20dan said:
i would not sell a mk6 to buy any super20-and my name is super20dan! the mk6 is a better horn in every way. owning a super20 is for prestige -at least the silversonics anyway. the silver looks pretty but does nothing to enhance the horns playing ability
Now that could spark yet another heated debate. If you don't mind super20dan, allow me to say that is your opinion and your are completely entitled to it. Many would agree with you.

My opinion, on the other hand is 100% in the other direction. jmm1713, if you are thinking of selling one of your MKIVs (which implies you have more than one) I would say you have the best of both worlds. That is of course assuming the S20 plays well. I would not do it blindly. The silver seems to give it a little more focus than an all brass bell S20. I have owned one of each about 150 numbers apart. And yes, they are beautiful horns.
 

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Super 20n Silversonic!!! Great Sound...and so much character...not just "a saxophone" but you have to control the sodding thing!!
 

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If you can have both, then great! I enjoyed the free-blowing character of mine. My concept of a roaring alto is that of Cannonball Adderley and I found that the Super 20 indeed got me on the path. If I could have only one alto,however, it would be the Selmer - more flexible at the subtle end of the range. If you have several Selmer altos, find them to be redundant, and are looking to broaden the palette of your arsenal (yikes, talk about mixing metaphors!), the Super 20 is an excellent choice.

Standard caveats for buying a vintage horn apply: assuming that you get one that isn't worn out and that you have a technician that can maintain it in top form (the latter is what spoiled the 20 for me).
 

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i am old enough to have grown up when you could buy both brand new. the selmer mk6 out sold the king super20 100/1. funny -its still the overwelming favorite of pros today
 

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That's the great thing about SOTW, everybody's got opinions, hopefully the best ones are based on rich liberal experience, else they become urinating contests. I have a Selmer SBA and it's, great. I have a King Silversonic, and it's great. I want them both.
 

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Dan said: "funny -its still the overwelming favorite of pros today," referring to the 6.

Is it ironic that as great a horn as it is, the 20 has been, is, and will be the underdog compared with the 6. And yet, while I hear some criticism towards the 6 in this form, including its owners, I have hardly heard a negative comment about the 20.

And was it you, Dan, or someone from Boston who told the story about a guy walking out of a bar with his 6 after seeing someone walk in with a 20?

That is a great story!
 

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sound isnt the issue between these 2 horns-its the way they are built and which horn hold up to pro use better. the king is a very fragile sax and the mk6 is a tank if i was a player back then i would have chose the one that held up better if i was making my living with the sax. bird sounded great on anything but only played king because it was given to him as an endorsment deal-i dont know about adderly but i suspect the same thing and he later switched to a mk6 . i would still be playing my set of mk6,s on every gig today if they wernt so valuable. the reason i bought super20,s was to save wear and tear on my 6,s -mind you this was back in the 70,s and now they are to0 valuable to gig on!
 

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JMM -

Check out the sale section; Art Salt has a 20 alto with a silver neck for sale for 1800.
 

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My bad - you have already found one.
 

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super20dan said:
i dont know about adderly but i suspect the same thing and he later switched to a mk6
Hm. I don't recall ever seeing Cannonball with a VI, I believe he was playing on his custom Super 20 right to the end. You can see him here in 1974 (he passed in '75) playing his face off with that telltale octave key right under his nose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3-kr5M1fF4. As to Bird, he would play ANYTHING! Perhaps you were thinking of Johnny Griffin, who played a Super 20 tenor for many years, then switched to a Selmer.

The same day I bought my first Super 20 alto in 1972 (after playing an SML Gold Medal for 4 years), I tried 3 Mark VIs and 2 Super 20s, the horn I chose had the best intonation and the right sound for me, and I've been hooked ever since. I never could quite get the sound I wanted out of a Mark VI, and I have tried plenty of them over the years. Apples and oranges. The VI is definitely a more tanklike object, as super20dan says, but to me it is all about sound. And, I must say that my horns have held up very well over the years - I gig with them all the time.

I don't own a Silversonic, but I do have a silver neck alto with pearls from 1962, it's the prettiest horn I own (my bari is definitely the ugliest, but it's still a Super 20!).
 

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nhsaxes said:
Hm. I don't recall ever seeing Cannonball with a VI, I believe he was playing on his custom Super 20 right to the end. You can see him here in 1974 (he passed in '75) playing his face off with that telltale octave key right under his nose:

He actually did play a VI :D :D




 

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Wait - I remember that shirt/dashiki he's wearing, it's on the cover of my copy of the "Accent on Africa" album from 1968, when he was experimenting with the Selmer Varitone (early electronic device w/pickup on the MkVI, also used a lot by Sonny Stitt and Eddie Harris around the same time). He plays that horn on a couple of cuts. I had forgotten all about that! It's hard to get old. ;)
 

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never doubt the master- my super 20 bari is my favorite-the only one i prefer over my mk6 bari
 
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