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Discussion Starter · #1 ·
American Perfection.
Martin? Conn? Something else?
Let the good times roll!
 

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“Scored” I suppose, but I like to look at it more as a rescue operation. And adding one point to players tally instead of flippers. I’ll pay top-dollar to get it overhauled and make sure she gets back into service where she belongs..!

Serial stamp reads:
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Regarding playability, GREAT! If all of your playing consists of B to G, of course.

She badly needs to be rebuilt. I can force the low end but only barely able to coax it out.
 

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I'd guess very old Conn before drawn tone holes. The fork Eb tone hole on the lower stack was only ever used by Conn and a few Martins, as far as I know.
I don’t see a fork Eb tone hole?
 

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The Mercedes star key guard in the 4th picture also says Conn. And it appears to still have the dual octave mechanism (though I can't tell for sure from the picture) so I'd put it before 1912ish. And the serial number / model number with the "B" was Conn's designation for the different models, I don't know that anybody else used this.
Two octave pips like usual, only one octave key. Cheers!
 

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It's the lowest tone hole on the lower main stack. It's right across from the Eb tone hole opened by the RH little finger. As far as I know, only Conn, the King Zephyr bari, and a few Martin saxes ever had the fork Eb on the main stack like that. The others (Buescher fer sure, the other major maker of basses) had it round back.
Do you see it in my picture? I only see the normal Eb tone hole, not the smaller Fork Eb. Also, the fork Eb fingering doesn’t seem to operate anything.
 

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Do you see it in my picture? I only see the normal Eb tone hole, not the smaller Fork Eb. Also, the fork Eb fingering doesn’t seem to operate anything.
Correction: the fork fingering plays Eb..! Yeah, it’s on the main stack. New to me..! Cool!
 

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So it’s definitely not a Buescher…

Conn or Martin? I read that the mercedes keyguard is not 100% exclusive to Conn. I also read that American Perfection is a Martin stencil, so.. hmm!
 

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It would seem so. Bert did a ton of research when he started playing bass, so I trust he's correct.

Kudos for finding the "perfect" bass!
Let's get her all fixed up and see how perfect it is. Perfect imperfection is the best I think I can hope for on a horn of this era..! ;)
 

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The pads look decent but it's a leaky mess and I'd also like to get the dent work done. It could use some good reforming on the bend directly below the neck and a couple of spots on the first tube run going upwards. I think it's going in for restoration. Gotta say, it sounds pretty great on the four notes I can comfortably play on it, even with those giant waffle resonators even though I prefer smaller/more mild flavors of resos usually.

It doesn't really look like she'll need too much work. The pads that I saw in the photos looked pretty decent and if you need to replace a few, it won't break the bank. But keep in mind there is no such thing as a "minor leak" on a bass sax, they are pretty binary in that respect, either they leak or they don't.
 

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It really depends on what you want to do with it. This horn looks way better than mine, which almost resembles a banana and has dings and dents everywhere but it's a hell of a player. The problem with those old Conns is that the brass they used is super hard, and even small dents are very difficult to remove. But go for it, if I had the means for a full overhaul of mine, I might spring the dough myself. If you don't, you may just have to refloat some of the pads, especially on the upper stack and that doesn't cost really anything.
Resembles a banana!? That's hilarious.

Gonna have it taken to a good tech next week. Let's see if we can make her sing again!

The end goal is really just to get it in good shape. If I find myself more comfortable on this horn than the other bass I've been learning on I'll sell the other horn. Otherwise I'll list this one.
 

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My C-melody is an American Perfection. I thought it was a 1923 Pan American, but you've certainly collected an array of opinions re your horn, making me wonder if my horn is indeed a Pan American. The "American Perfection" engraving is the very same. I've never seen another American Perfection. I inherited my horn from my mother. She played it in 1926-1927 in a high school stage orchestra, so the 1923 manufacture date seems like it would be correct. The horn had previously belonged to a near-relative who died at age 31 in 1926. He probably was the original owner. View attachment 136665
Wowwie!

How did you choose the year 1923 out of curiosity.. serial number or..?
 
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