Or maybe some alternate changes for that chord motion...?
....YUP! You can go crazy worrying about all those upper extensions, tri-tone subs, et. al. But when it gets down to it "Sister Sadie" is really a blues tune. I'm pretty sure it's NOT 12 bar blues, and I think it has a bridge - whatever - it's still a bluesJust play the blues.
There is a bridge, but the question concerned the A section, I think.matty said:....YUP! You can go crazy worrying about all those upper extensions, tri-tone subs, et. al. But when it gets down to it "Sister Sadie" is really a blues tune. I'm pretty sure it's NOT 12 bar blues, and I think it has a bridge - whatever - it's still a bluestune. Listen to some recordings - cop what you like - if you can pull it off. Be musical, not "advanced"
Use the html tags. They're visible in the 'reply to thread' window.matty said:Anyone, how do I get my quote to cite the author (BlueNote) while I quote him??
Matty, you seem like a smart guy. Let us think about this logically. If Horace Silver had intended for you to "just play the blues," why would he spend all that time writing specific chord changes? Why make all bluesy tunes sound the same? Why not explore the possiblities and breath some life into the song?matty said:Be musical, not "advanced"
I wasn't implying that you should avoid shedding the changes when I said "just play the blues". Definately learn them and be able to play them, but do what you want with them after the fact. Listen to Wayne Shorter's solo on "Speak No Evil" -- there's nothing but blues in his playing. He sure as heck knew the tune inside and out as what it was first, though... but made his own with it once he understood the tune. We have the liberty of doing the same to anything we play and write, but understanding the harmonic structure first is critical for us to be able to explore the possibilities of what we can play.saxymanzach said:Matty, you seem like a smart guy. Let us think about this logically. If Horace Silver had intended for you to "just play the blues," why would he spend all that time writing specific chord changes? Why make all bluesy tunes sound the same? Why not explore the possiblities and breath some life into the song?
To me, the statement that I quoted above completely contradicts itself. Being advanced is part of being musical. "Just playing the blues" is a cop-out I hear often, it's a justification for not practicing. How can you really expect to bring the tune to it's full musical potential without comletely understanding the tune? To me, it sounds like you can do step 2 before step 1. Think about it like a car. You have a buch of parts to a ferarri sitting on the floor (the chord changes), you can't just attach a seat to some axels to a seat(the blues scale) and expect to go 120 MPH (play a good solo). "Just playing the blues" is a trap, don't fall into it. If you don't strive to be advanced, why do you even bother practicing?
Just my two cents.
~Zach
Ahh, but nobody said anything about shedding changes or anything, I only erad "just play the blues." And as far as the Wayne Shorter reference goes, that solo is very modal and I hear little "blues" in it.BlueNote said:I wasn't implying that you should avoid shedding the changes when I said "just play the blues". Definately learn them and be able to play them, but do what you want with them after the fact. Listen to Wayne Shorter's solo on "Speak No Evil" -- there's nothing but blues in his playing. He sure as heck knew the tune inside and out as what it was first, though... but made his own with it once he understood the tune. We have the liberty of doing the same to anything we play and write, but understanding the harmonic structure first is critical for us to be able to explore the possibilities of what we can play.
When I play, it is impossible for me to remember what the changes are unless I am staring at them. I've never met anyone who could think of changes while they are soloing, it would just get in the way. The point in practicing all of the "advanced stuff" is that eventually you will practice it enough to the point where it just comes out without thinking about it. You are right, the melody is very important, but harmony is also very important. You can't the harmony for granted. Most times, the melody only reflects the immediate harmonies dictated by the chord symbol, but there is more to it than that. I suppose it just comes down to how you want to sound.matty said:I'm just saying that many cats try to be "advanced" and it sounds like a** Play what you hear. I practice tons, and have been guilty of not heeding my own advise. Horace Silver, perhaps, wrote the changes to spice up the melody a bit. My thinking is that melody trumps harmony every time - just how I approach playing. I work on my tri-tone subs, diminished whole tione scales, all of it. But when the gig comes, I play what I hear. In the case of Sister Sadie I hear a darn blues. If what comes out of my horn is tri-tone subs, then so be it, but I don't intentionally try to sound "advanced", because I think that ends up being unmusical. The original poster wanted to sound less repetitious, and I think that there are zillions of ways to play the blues without being repetitious. If you think about it like inversions and approach tones all the time it seems to me to be pretty darn scientific, which, to me, is all that music ISN'T about. Being "advanced" has nothing to do with being musical. Playing advanced ideas in a musical way....that's another story, and perhaps what we're all aiming for......ok have at me