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I had the chance to test them.

There was indeed a noticeable difference .... I liked my sound better without the "Lefreque" :mrgreen:

I'm always quite skeptical about such ascecoires, and that might perhaps have influenced my opinion.

Just my 2cts as an amateur player of course.
 

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Honestly, a piece of metal strapped to a horn with plastic bands improves your sound? I wonder how much difference that two onces of metal will make on my 20 pound Bari. Practice improves your sound. Le Freque improves it's marketers bank account.
 

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The Lefreque is a device designed to separate a sum of money from your account for a device that only works if you are Peter Pan.
 

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As usual, a query is reduced to a joke...

At any rate, Jaz, I can see the idea behind it. Linking the separate parts of the instrument, to increase sympathetic vibrations carried over between mouthpiece and neck. Thinking about it, the cork barrier between the mouthpiece and neck would serve to deaden vibrations, just as putting cork anywhere else would. Whether this device makes a big difference or not, I can't say, as I have not tried it. Still, as I said, I can see the idea behind it. It's similar to the trend of having the bow of the instrument soldered to the body tube. I might be interested to try it sometime, thought regardless of effect I feel the design would make for difficult setup, and also could post a problem for making intonation adjustments... So, I can't offer an informed review, but only some informed thought. :)

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As usual, a query is reduced to a joke...

At any rate, Jaz, I can see the idea behind it. Linking the separate parts of the instrument, to increase sympathetic vibrations carried over between mouthpiece and neck. Thinking about it, the cork barrier between the mouthpiece and neck would serve to deaden vibrations, just as putting cork anywhere else would. Whether this device makes a big difference or not, I can't say, as I have not tried it. Still, as I said, I can see the idea behind it. It's similar to the trend of having the bow of the instrument soldered to the body tube. I might be interested to try it sometime, thought regardless of effect I feel the design would make for difficult setup, and also could post a problem for making intonation adjustments... So, I can't offer an informed review, but only some informed thought. :)

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The "sympathetic vibrations" of a woodwind instrument are inaudible. It's the vibrating column of air that makes the sound. As such, they don't solder the bow to the body to increase sympathetic vibrations. They do it to keep air from leaking out. Not that any of this matters. There are enough people who believe in "sympathetic vibrations" despite what the science says to keep these things alive and marketing for some time. Cannonball is doing it now with their "Stone Series" horns. SG did it before them with "nodal weights" on replacement necks. Don't waste your money.
 

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Awesome! This "Dutch Original Sound Solution" just bumped the Saxgourmet Neck Enhancer off my Top 5 Worthless Products List:

1) P-lig (http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showth...-to-pimp-your-sound&highlight=pimp+your+sound)

2) Swing Chips (http://www.b-air.jp/en/products/swing-chip)

3) Nano Liquid (http://www.b-air.jp/en/products/nano-liquid)

4) LefreQue (http://www.lefreque.com/home)

5) Cryogenic Treatment (http://www.saxgourmet.com/cryogenic.htm)

The LefreQue just made it to Number 4. Maybe I should expand this to a Top 10 List. Neck Enhancers, nodal weights, and resonance stones are just too good to be left out.

By the way, I nominate this thread title for Best Thread Title of the Year. Well done!
 

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Thats and incredible list. I love what they did to the swing chips "NC processed (computer controlled carving) and CYRO treated (Extreme Chilling Treatment).". And the Nano Liquid "Sound enhancement oil “Nano Liquid” is made from dispersion processed carbon particles melted into oil." . Its cutting edge b&*())sh*((t !
 

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I had a smart *ss remark, but I completely forgot it after reading everyone else's.

PT Barnum is often credited with saying "A fool and his money are soon parted". Best I can do at the moment.
 

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Much thanks to everyone who responded.

I'm also rather dubious about the "advantages" of using the LefreQue. However, special thanks to Klarisa since he seems to be the only one with actual experience with this item, and to Steve P who sensed my genuine curiosity and interest in the Lefreque---despite my tongue-in-cheek title!

In all seriousness, it's too bad there isn't a scientifically-valid way to confirm--or disprove--all the claims out there by vendors. Of course science can't evaluate "beauty" in tone; but it should be able to measure definable qualities in sound, by which objective comparisons can be made.

...I think...
 

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I know its creator, Hans Kuijt, and I have seen and heard him playing with the " le freq" , I even know the previous version which he developed together with Ton Kooiman.

Hans Kuijt is a great player and educator and always very busy in promoting himself and his initiatives.

I am convinced that Hans truly believes in this thing. I am not convinced at all it does anything either in this present form or the previous incarnation (which was a piece of metal incorporated in the cork to , supposedly, aid the mouthpiece vibration being transferred to the horn)

Here what I already wrote before about it

............Anyway, not so long ago, a friend of mine Hans Kuijt ( a great player and educator no question about that!) invented an new gizmo, " le freque" which supposedly should help communicating the vibration trough the parts of a saxophone or other wind instruments which supposedly reduce the vibrations.
http://www.lefreque.com/

Anyway upon demonstration and at a 1 meter distance I couldn't hear any difference in the playing while he was demonstrating the influence of the " le freque" . Obviously I believe that Hans is honest about it and truly believes that the gizmo works. I couldn't hear it.
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Whatever vibrations are in the wall of any saxophone these are of a minimal amplitude in relation to the vibration of the air column, besides the whole body of the saxophone has holes and cork and felt everywhere which would dampen and diffuse wall vibration to a level that no piece of ay metal could conduce even if the saxophone would be designed to work like a bell (which obviously isn't).

Of course one can, even in all honesty, believe this is the next best thing after bread and butter but before any commercial enterprise is started it would have been better to put this through SERIOUS triple blind scientific trials because, as it is, anybody can fool himself with the equivalent of the P-ligging (search button please!).

Another such fantasy device is the sound expander by Schucht

http://www.schuchtsaxtechnology.com/Produkte/Sound_EXpander/sound_expander.html

which should be the ideal companion to " le freque" by carrying the vibration of the upper and medium part of the saxophone to the bell..........another useless piece of expensive kit to do something that at best (but I doubt) is measurable in minute energy transfer and no influence on the sound whatsoever.

There are all sorts of these fantasies in the world of saxophone (and flutes!) banking of the insecurity and gullibility of people who have more money than judgement, all of these present " common sense " explanations based on intuition but no science, as I often say intuition is what makes us say that the sun sets while the horizon goes up, it is just not the way to face these things.
 

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This picture so perfectly sums up the value of all these "enhancers".
yes, I had forgotten about those...........the most unbelievable and most stupid device in the world. they also have thir modern version of the snake oil, nano oil, full of.......... metal-nano-particles [rolleyes] to better carry vibration from one part to the other of any brass or woodwind :twisted:
 
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