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What Tenor is This?

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I can't figure out the mark or brand and the bell has absolutely no engraving ... horn not in my possession BTW. Has left-hand bell keys. NO rounded chimneys and an interesting nailfile style on the pinky cluster. Not exactly like, but similar to what Conn would have used in the 20/30s.
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If a Beaugnier, they were hand made saxes. Then this Paris, France suburb factory closed its doors around 1970, because they could not compete with machine manufactured saxes.

I have their bari from the early 1950's, a Vito. The Vito was Leblanc's entry level instrument. My bari has the same left hand pinky keys as your tenor. I bought it for a song on an Internet auction 12 years ago. It was an ex-school instrument, well battered, taken out of circulation after many repairs, then stored for a while. Case was very musty, trashed it in short order and bought another.

It had less than 50% of its lacquer left, played badly out of tune, but had decent pads. I removed dents, straightened the key racks, resoldered separated posts, installed missing bumper corks, adjusted key heights, removed the red brass tarnish. It cleaned up nicely. (A slightly softer red brass was used, as it was easier to work by hand.) When through, found it easy blowing, very easy to hit falsetto, plays very well in tune. Has a darker sound than newer instruments.

Then, difference between a pro model and beginner was the amount of tuning, more engravements and embellishments, quality of jewels, and etc. But it has the same metallurgy. Although a Vito, now it plays like a pro model.

Time has passed, now I need to replace a few pads from my wear and tear. I wouldn't trade your Mark IV for it, but if you want an extra horn and love the way it plays, then go for it.
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Having a hard time selling it. It's a nice horn - I didn't expect the conversation to go in that route as I was originally looking to determine what horn I originaly posted was and go from there. Some folks seem to miss the fact I am not trading a 1961 Selmer Mark VI for a Beaugnier. But I appreciate y'all making me laugh.
The opinions expressed were implicit on your second post #5 in this thread.
Thanks everyone someone wants to trade me several horns for my Mark VI so I'm trying to assess value. This will help me get closer to that, thanks.
You mentioned about someone wanted to swap horns for your Mark IV, so others thought this was on your mind. Since we do not know your full story but only what is expressed in word here, it was implied.

My impressions of the LeBlanc Beaugnier horns are so far positive. They were quality made instruments. Opinions vary, but you are your best deciding factor as only you know what you like and what you don't like. Opinions vary, but personally I take a more calculated, cold approach, not given over to fads or so-called professional opinions. If I like a horn and enjoy playing it, it is available, within my budget and I got room for it, I could care less what others think.

This is why they refer to musicians as "cats" 😹 rather than "dogs". 🐶 :sneaky:
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I find it interesting that these Beaugnier horns (Vito, LeBlanc, varoius others) do not have a higher value than other instruments which to my mind are inferior. Just goes to show what a difference there is between perceived value and intrinsic value.
So true, I couldn't agree more. I have found with my repertoire of instruments, without having to break the bank, I have made do with lesser known and lesser "valued" instruments.

Several years ago, I bought a used in good condition Boosey and Hawkes Edgeware wood Bb clarinet for a couple hundred bucks. The convincer was the decent reviews here in SOW as a budget instrument for a saxophonist doubling on clarinet. It certainly plays better than my LeBlanc Vito plastic clarinet that I started out with in 1965. (Still have it, been overhauled 2 times. That Vito has a very sharp throat register.)

40 years ago, I played both Selmer and Buffet pro models. You'd think these would be the best, but the ones procured under government contract, especially the lot of Buffets we received, being new as beautiful as they were, were not that well tuned. :unsure:

What I find interesting about the B&H Edgeware is best stated in:

The Vintage Clarinet Doctor: Clarinet makers
Boosey&Hawkes - Formed in England the early 1930's from Boosey& Co. + Hawkes & Son. Makers of some lovely, underrated and underpriced instruments.
The Edgeware doesn't have the name, but who cares? :sneaky: The fact that I like the sound and how it feels to me is all that matters. ;)

It is the player that makes the instrument perform, and although the instrument helps, it is not the other way around. :geek:
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