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I can't figure out the mark or brand and the bell has absolutely no engraving ... horn not in my possession BTW. Has left-hand bell keys. NO rounded chimneys and an interesting nailfile style on the pinky cluster. Not exactly like, but similar to what Conn would have used in the 20/30s.
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Definiately a Beaugnier-made instrument. That nail file lever behind the G# key is known as the articulation key = and that's a Vito logo on the G# key = nice horn.

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Specifically, it's a Model 37.
 

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Thanks everyone someone wants to trade me several horns for my Mark VI so I'm trying to assess value. This will help me get closer to that, thanks. Also someone asked for more pics. Here you go ...
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the best trade that anyone can do is with banknotes


take into account the incredible amount of work it would take you to sell the traded horns and realise that, while selling a Mark VI is only a matter of how much you want to sell it and how quickly , selling other horns like these may take a very long time and never return the money that you want.

IF the person who is proposing the trade is convinced otherwise tell him to sell the goods and then return with cash.
 

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That Beaugnier is probably a pretty good tenor, but if you think you want it, buy it outright. It is not near the Selmer in terms of market value.

I repeat, do NOT let yourself be snookered into trading away a Mark 6 tenor for "some horns". If you want to monetize the Selmer, sell it, use the money to buy stuff you want.

WHY do you think someone's offering you a trade of "several horns" for your Selmer? Do you think they're expecting to come out the worse on the deal? I rather think NOT.

Beaugniers are NOT "worthless" but someone's trying to get the better of you in a hoss trade. Don't do it.
 

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Thanks everyone someone wants to trade me several horns for my Mark VI so I'm trying to assess value.
People's reactions here are, understandably, skeptical.

BUT...how many horns is this person offering ?

THIS Tenor, the Beaugnier-Vito, in play shape, is the OPPOSITE of a piece of junk. Very nice player.

But its market value if it plays up and down easily and has no significant denting...is around $800 tops, maybe $850.

So....there is your starting point for value....what else does the guy have to offer as far as horns and mouthpieces ?

Does the mouthpiece pictured come with it ?

If so, what kind of mouthpiece is it ?
 

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People's reactions here are, understandably, skeptical.

BUT...how many horns is this person offering ?

THIS Tenor, the Beaugnier-Vito, in play shape, is the OPPOSITE of a piece of junk. Very nice player.

But its market value if it plays up and down easily and has no significant denting...is around $800 tops, maybe $850.

So....there is your starting point for value....what else does the guy have to offer as far as horns and mouthpieces ?

Does the mouthpiece pictured come with it ?

If so, what kind of mouthpiece is it ?
1950s Martin Committee alto (not sure if ii or iii)
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Thanks everyone someone wants to trade me several horns for my Mark VI so I'm trying to assess value. This will help me get closer to that, thanks. Also someone asked for more pics. Here you go ...
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Tell us more of this "MarkVI" of which you speak. Also pics and serial number range. I suggest you learn from here as to its value expectation, before putting it up for sale anywhere. Cheers...
 

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If a Beaugnier, they were hand made saxes. Then this Paris, France suburb factory closed its doors around 1970, because they could not compete with machine manufactured saxes.

I have their bari from the early 1950's, a Vito. The Vito was Leblanc's entry level instrument. My bari has the same left hand pinky keys as your tenor. I bought it for a song on an Internet auction 12 years ago. It was an ex-school instrument, well battered, taken out of circulation after many repairs, then stored for a while. Case was very musty, trashed it in short order and bought another.

It had less than 50% of its lacquer left, played badly out of tune, but had decent pads. I removed dents, straightened the key racks, resoldered separated posts, installed missing bumper corks, adjusted key heights, removed the red brass tarnish. It cleaned up nicely. (A slightly softer red brass was used, as it was easier to work by hand.) When through, found it easy blowing, very easy to hit falsetto, plays very well in tune. Has a darker sound than newer instruments.

Then, difference between a pro model and beginner was the amount of tuning, more engravements and embellishments, quality of jewels, and etc. But it has the same metallurgy. Although a Vito, now it plays like a pro model.

Time has passed, now I need to replace a few pads from my wear and tear. I wouldn't trade your Mark IV for it, but if you want an extra horn and love the way it plays, then go for it.
 

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The Colliegiate is far from Holton's better offerings.
Everybody wants the Superba 1 - not the 2
Martin alto might be nice - don't trade your horn for those you've mentioned - like Milandro suggests - if you wanna' off-load the Selmer sell it.
Having a hard time selling it. It's a nice horn - I didn't expect the conversation to go in that route as I was originally looking to determine what horn I originaly posted was and go from there. Some folks seem to miss the fact I am not trading a 1961 Selmer Mark VI for a Beaugnier. But I appreciate y'all making me laugh.

Sure I'd be glad to post the Selmer up here. I'll start a new post, thanks first of all to those who responded with help. Much appreciated.
 

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1950s Martin Committee alto (not sure if ii or iii)
H. Couf Superba ii tenor (made by Keilwerth)
Holton Collegiate tenor
Plus the Beaugnier Tenor

asuming all in good shape, no serious/significant body dents or dings, relatively clean, playing up and down

Comm 3 Alto = $1500
Holton Collegiate Tenor = $600
Beaugnier Vito Tenor = $850
Couf Superba 2 Tenor = $1850
Total market values = $4800usd

Every one of these horns is a good, solid example of a vintage sax. The Collegiate is the low card in the deck - it is a second-shelfer, so, while quite respectable and along the lines of a Conn Director or King Cleveland....it isn't particularly special or sought after.

Is that total around the current market value of your era of VI ?

If not close, it is ....as others have gleaned, not a good deal.

In which case...the way you communicate to the offerer "no thanks".... is up to you, of course
 

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Sure I'd be glad to post the Selmer up here. I'll start a new post, thanks first of all to those who responded with help. Much appreciated.
Once you have 50+ posts, you can gain access to the Marketplace/Classifieds.
 
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Having a hard time selling it. It's a nice horn - I didn't expect the conversation to go in that route as I was originally looking to determine what horn I originaly posted was and go from there. Some folks seem to miss the fact I am not trading a 1961 Selmer Mark VI for a Beaugnier. But I appreciate y'all making me laugh.
The opinions expressed were implicit on your second post #5 in this thread.
Thanks everyone someone wants to trade me several horns for my Mark VI so I'm trying to assess value. This will help me get closer to that, thanks.
You mentioned about someone wanted to swap horns for your Mark IV, so others thought this was on your mind. Since we do not know your full story but only what is expressed in word here, it was implied.

My impressions of the LeBlanc Beaugnier horns are so far positive. They were quality made instruments. Opinions vary, but you are your best deciding factor as only you know what you like and what you don't like. Opinions vary, but personally I take a more calculated, cold approach, not given over to fads or so-called professional opinions. If I like a horn and enjoy playing it, it is available, within my budget and I got room for it, I could care less what others think.

This is why they refer to musicians as "cats" 😹 rather than "dogs". 🐶 :sneaky:
 

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Of those horns, the LeBlanc/Beaugnier would be more interesting to me, as a player, than the others. Martin a close second. Beaugnier’s factory was a block away fro Selmer’s, and many of the techs worked both places. I own two Beaugnier altos (one a Vito, one marked Beaugnier, but also marked with a French music store name). and they both play wonderfully. They are built very solidly. The Vito is the same model as your tenor. Very close in tonal sound to a Selmer, but not so close in keywork.

[EDIT -addendum]. I find it interesting that these Beaugnier horns (Vito, LeBlanc, varoius others) do not have a higher value than other instruments which to my mind are inferior. Just goes to show what a difference there is between perceived value and intrinsic value.
 
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