[DeUtCheaxelplaya]

there are 2 ways i kno of 2 do multiphonics on the sax

[There are two ways that I know of to do multiphonics on the sax.]

voice multiphonics and just fingerings for it

personally i like the voice one better...........the fingerings have their use........its more for crazy things u do in jazz i believe......thats just my opinion......

but voice multiphonics have more control 2 them because of what u can change with your voice 2 make them sound good

[Voice multiphonics have more control to them because of what you can change with your voice to make them sound good.]

but what is your preference? and do u kno of another way to do multiphonics?

[Do you know of another way to do multiphonics?]

[Just some suggestions for more clear and readable posts, if that might be of interest to you.]

 

[Reedsplinter]

True multiphonics are achieved by fingerings and manipulation of the air column. A "voice multiphonic" is a growl.

My opinion: multiphonics exist.

 

[DeUtCheaxelplaya]

True multiphonics are achieved by fingerings and manipulation of the air column. A "voice multiphonic" is a growl.

My opinion: multiphonics exist.

ahhh i dont think so a growl is nothing like voice multiphonics............it can be similar depending on the pitch from your instrument and the pitch from tour voice and the quality of your voice............but there is no "true multiphonics"

ideally it is fingrings that saxes would use for multiphonics but voice is just as "true" as fingerings..........it is also preference

 

[Martinman]

My opinion of multiphonics is that they are multiphonical.

 

[Birdman]

where do you find fingerings for that?

-Birdman

 

[RootyTootoot]

where do you find fingerings for that?

-Birdman

There are definitely some at the back of
Improvising Jazz Sax by Charlie Gerard

There are probably some suggestions lying around this forum which could be found with a search.

 

[drakesaxprof]

where do you find fingerings for that?

-Birdman

Les Sons Multiples aux Saxophones-Daniel Kientzy
published by Salabert

Kientzy documents extensive multiphonic fingers for all saxophone, sopranino to bass, including contexts, dynamic possibilities, etc. Londeix's Hello Mr. Sax also includes a table of multiphonic fingerings.

 

[DeUtCheaxelplaya]

where do you find fingerings for that?

-Birdman

yea i kno a website thats pretty good......
it also has stuff about altissimo, circular breathing, and other things........

http://saxophone-education.com/saxophone_extended_technique.htm

works for me

 

[Jaice Singer DuMars]

I have studied and played multiphonics extensively, and absolutely love them! They are such a great texture, especially in improvisational playing. Check out this duet I did with Ned Rothenberg that uses the technique to make our duo into a quartet. There are no overdubs or effects either...

http://www.dumarsengraving.com/me/6quiet.mp3

I have some fingerings on the old abandoned saxophone.org site:

http://www.saxophone.org/multi.html
http://www.saxophone.org/newmulti.html

 

[JimD]

'multiphonics for the saxophone' by John Gross, Advance Music. 178 x 2,3 and 4 noters.

 

[Reedsplinter]

I have studied and played multiphonics extensively, and absolutely love them! They are such a great texture, especially in improvisational playing. Check out this duet I did with Ned Rothenberg that uses the technique to make our duo into a quartet. There are no overdubs or effects either...

http://www.dumarsengraving.com/me/6quiet.mp3

I have some fingerings on the old abandoned saxophone.org site:

http://www.saxophone.org/multi.html
http://www.saxophone.org/newmulti.html

Wow! That's very interesting, Jason. You guys sound like a pod of whales making first contact with aliens! And I mean that in a good way.

I have a question: to what extent was this performance improvised? Or could you reproduce it more or less exactly? Just curious.

 

[JL]

[Just some suggestions for more clear and readable posts, if that might be of interest to you.]

Well since you asked, I would suggest a reasonable attempt at spelling and punctuation for greater clarity. You use the number "2" in several different ways in your first few "sentences," sometimes meaning the number, sometimes meaning "too" or "to," etc. Why not just write in plain English? That would help a lot.

Regarding multiphonics, I think they sound very cool. The only way I know to sound them is with a combination of fingering and voicing.

 

[Reedsplinter]

I have studied and played multiphonics extensively, and absolutely love them! They are such a great texture, especially in improvisational playing. Check out this duet I did with Ned Rothenberg that uses the technique to make our duo into a quartet. There are no overdubs or effects either...

http://www.dumarsengraving.com/me/6quiet.mp3

I have some fingerings on the old abandoned saxophone.org site:

http://www.saxophone.org/multi.html
http://www.saxophone.org/newmulti.html

Jason: it doesn't sound to me like you guys are using any voice effects here: all fingering and air column control. Is that right?

 

[JL]

To clarify: By "voicing" I mean air column control, throat/tongue position. Not actual use of the voice.

 

[Jaice Singer DuMars]

"Quiet" was completely improvised, and yes I could reproduce it if needed, and I am certain Ned could as well.

All of the multiphonics are fingered as opposed to singing and playing simultaneously. I am not really sure that this technique is classified as a multiphonic. I believe it is called "vocalization" instead.

 

[kavala]

Coltrane did some nice multiphonic effects on Riverside album 'Coltrane Jazz'

 

[Reedsplinter]

"Quiet" was completely improvised, and yes I could reproduce it if needed, and I am certain Ned could as well.

All of the multiphonics are fingered as opposed to singing and playing simultaneously. I am not really sure that this technique is classified as a multiphonic. I believe it is called "vocalization" instead.

That's what I thought, and is why I asked the question. I generally call "vocalization" "growling," though if you sing higher notes it changes the timbre. But as far as I am concerned, multiphonics per se are produced without the intervention of the voice.

Thanks Jason. Cool track: I enjoyed it.

 

[Reedsplinter]

To clarify: By "voicing" I mean air column control, throat/tongue position. Not actual use of the voice.

Ah. But I think the original poster meant something different.

 

[JL]

Ah. But I think the original poster meant something different.

Yes, I see what you mean. All the more reason for folks to write legibly. But I'm equally guilty of using a nebulous term like "voicing." Anyway, as I know them, multiphonics are produced by a combination of specific fingerings and "split tones," or harmonics sounded simultaneously. To do this takes a certain type of airstream that is hard to describe. And I'm no expert at it. I still am not sure what the original poster meant by "voice multiphonics."

 

[Reedsplinter]

Yes, I see what you mean. All the more reason for folks to write legibly. But I'm equally guilty of using a nebulous term like "voicing." Anyway, as I know them, multiphonics are produced by a combination of specific fingerings and "split tones," or harmonics sounded simultaneously. To do this takes a certain type of airstream that is hard to describe. And I'm no expert at it. I still am not sure what the original poster meant by "voice multiphonics."

I THINK he meant singing or humming into the horn while playing, which in my vocabulary is called "growling," a time-honored blues technique, as I'm sure you know. There's a player here I run into from time to time who growls CONSTANTLY. He gets an occasional nice effect (a very pretty "whisper" growl in the altissimo), but overall it muddies his tone: if he executes rapidly it just sounds like mush. Seems a funny stylistic decision to me, or a curious habit to fall into. Spoils his act, in my opinion.