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I recently bought 2 altos (I believe they are the exact same make and model).

Both go down to only B, have double octave key mechanisms, and lack other various modern keywork.

I know of a few manufacturers who made horns similar to these back in the early 1900's or late 1800's, but I can't pinpoint who made these, where they were made, their age, or their model since both horns don't seem to have any lettering or full blown serial numbers written on them.

HOWEVER (I found this kind of neat), they have numbers stamped into the back of each key and on their necks. One seems to have the number 12 stamped everywhere, the other 10.

Any help identifying these is appreciated.
 

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Is it possible those are those recent made Indian copies of turn on the century saxes? Those are usually in nickel but sure they are in bare brass and I've seen lacquered ones.
 

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Red pads and key touches? It does remind me of those pesky SSO (Saxophone Shaped Objects) on the web I've seen elsewhere.
There was someone on the forum who had bought one with the intent of testing it out. Perhaps we could get his opinion on this?
 

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Never heard of or seen copies of these kind of horns in a decade of learning about saxes. Heard and seen plenty modern copies of modern horns though. The quality doesn't scream anything that's been made in the past decade or so overseas. Pads are ancient and falling out (basically dried crust), etc, etc. Any cites or places you've seen these you can link of these Indian copies?
 

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Never heard of or seen copies of these kind of horns in a decade of learning about saxes. Heard and seen plenty modern copies of modern horns though. The quality doesn't scream anything that's been made in the past decade or so overseas. Pads are ancient and falling out (basically dried crust), etc, etc. Any cites or places you've seen these you can link of these Indian copies?
They used to swarm eBay but havent seen one in a long while maybe 5-10 years or so. As mentioned above they would have red pads and metal or red key touches. They were modern copies of ancient horns.
 

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Yep those Indian horns. I guess they didn't want to compete with the Selmer copies from China so they copied the old pre-1900 relics. I have had 2 and they were horrible. I think they sold on ebay for about a dollar with $99 shipping.
 

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Well I'm glad they weren't too pricey. One might be fun to fix up or I'll just make them into some sort of decoration (like a lamp). Thanks a bunch.
 

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This are the dreaded simulacra also know as the Saxophone Shaped Object. Much talked about on SOTW.

http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?230270-What-is-this-one-!
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?117584-Indian-Saxes
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showth...entify-this-vintage-sax-no-markings-or-serial
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?149412-Strange-mini-saxophone-with-bright-red-pads-huh
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showth...ing-sax-but-is-it-a-soprano-or-something-else

I see them regularly ( at least once a month) offered on our Dutch equivalent of craiglist.

They are truly horrible in every possible aspect. Often described as proper saxophones on sites like “ Made in India” (not infrequently using pictures and descriptions which have nothing to do with any of their real product but just lifted from other adverts)


They have been around for much longer than any Chinese Selmer copies and they are regularly sold on line as “ attic found and inherited musical instruments” by people whom claim ignorance of musical instruments (so you can’t complain that they’ve actually sold you something that is only a simulacrum) often at jumble or car boot sales

The same factories regurgitate also other instruments often branded as “ Bessons” and all the same serial number. Often sporting this e trademark

Boosey
Bessons & Co
London W.C.
75983

The serial number is the same for cornets, baritone tuba and “ alto” alike!



There are also clarinets to go with it. Despicable!





 

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Perfectly on cue, as mentioned above, one just appeared on the Dutch equivalent of Craiglist with the text, in English: “ Old saxophone
Not sure if still works as I don't play.”....

Apparently sold straight away...:faceinpalm:


 
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