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Since I will be looking for a baritone sax soon, I need to sell some items. Mostly guitars, but I may have to let go of the Beaugnier. It is a nickel plated Fabrication Artistique tenor, sn 6717. Has very few dings, also some scratches but overall a very shiny sax still. Pads are not new but still do the job. I will have the dents removed and the sax cleaned up. The only damage to the lacquer is the underside of the thumb rest where the brass is coming through. The engraving is crisp and clear as is the sn.

Realistically,what could I expect to get for this sax?
 

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For value we'll need some pics.
 

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Value.... depends whether you're throwing in the (supp. original) Superman cape.

If the intonation is very good, then it's worth as much as a Vito stencil. Sounds funny but I have tried Beaugnier stamped horns which were not as good as their Vito stencils! (maybe a QC issue?). I hope yours is a good number!:|
 

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Haha I don't know what happened to the cape, it's been awhile! Intonation is fine, it is a very nice playing horn, never had any issues with it. Whatever the tech says needs attention will be done, but I'm guessing it will be minimal. Forgive my ignorance, but I have really no clue in regards to sax value anymore so I don't know what a Vito goes for. I also have a Buescher Aristocrat alto, sn 385xxx with most of the lacquer gone and was told it is pretty much worthless...plays lovely though...
 

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The Buescher is probably worth more -- particularly in playing condition.
 

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I recently bought a Beaugnier with Sole Distributor Gretsch on the bell tenor that had been freshly overhauled for $1500. I think it is a fantastic playing sax. In as is condition I would guess $700 to $800 because that is what I would be willing to pay.
 

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It's missing its neck brace on the Superman pictures. What happened?!
I had the neck brace placed by a tech after the Superman pictures were taken. Originally it did not have a brace and whenever I put some pressure on top of the mpc, the octave key would lift. The tech did a real nice job with the brace and made it look as if it belongs.
 

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Can you reconfirm the Serial number? Picture 11 of 19 shows it to be 6746 or maybe 6716? Also does it have the switch on the left hand pinkie spatula that can connect or disconnect the G# fro the other pads?
 

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Can you reconfirm the Serial number? Picture 11 of 19 shows it to be 6746 or maybe 6716? Also does it have the switch on the left hand pinkie spatula that can connect or disconnect the G# fro the other pads?
My bad! SN is 6716.

It does not have the G# spatula no, I thought that was on Special Perfect Beaugniers only.

It also does not have the front F# keybut I guess that was pretty common back then. I played it a bit yesterday and it plays really really good, much better than mu Kohlert with rolled tone holes, although in fairness that one could stand to have a few pads replaced!

I can easily go from that smooth airy sound to biting and screaming rock and roll and that's with a JD Hite mpc and #2.5 reeds! When I used to play years ago, I had a metal Berg Larsen 105/2 on it with #3.5 reeds and the sound was stunning.

I need to dust it off and clean it up and since the Kohlert needs some work I will go ahead and get the Beaugnier overhauled as well. My initial thought yesterday was that this sax isn't going anywhere, it plays too dang well! But I really want a baritone sax again so something's gotta give.
 

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My bad! SN is 6716.

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It also does not have the front F# key but I guess that was pretty common back then.
Actually the earlier 'Fabrication Artistique' horns had an exceptionally nice front F arrangement, linked to a high F key which was, very unusually, on a rod:



The one above is serial number 20XX, by the way. It is silver-plated and has right-hand bell keys. Your nickel-plated one, with bell keys on the left and no front F does seem a significant cheapening of the original 'Fabrication Artistique'.
 

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Then they must've been really good because it feels substantially more solid than most tenors I've held in my hands.
 

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Then they must've been really good because it feels substantially more solid than most tenors I've held in my hands.
Both the one in the photo and another I had with the same features are/were very good horns indeed. No doubt yours is just as solid and probably it plays as well: I was simply drawing attention to the cheaper finish and the simplified, and therefore cheaper, key work.

Also, you speculated that the lack of a front was because of the age of the instrument. It isn't: older examples of the same model have an exceptionally good front F.

I had the neck brace placed by a tech after the Superman pictures were taken. Originally it did not have a brace
The 'Fabrication Artistique' tenors did have a neck brace originally. Yours was probably knocked off before you acquired it.

I'm trying to help with value here, since that was the purpose of your thread. It is a less desirable variant of an obscure model, in only average condition and without a front F. I suspect it isn't worth overhauling in order to sell it. If it were me, I'd be happy to take $500.00 in its current condition.
 

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Both the one in the photo and another I had with the same features are/were very good horns indeed. No doubt yours is just as solid and probably it plays as well: I was simply drawing attention to the cheaper finish and the simplified, and therefore cheaper, key work.

Also, you speculated that the lack of a front was because of the age of the instrument. It isn't: older examples of the same model have an exceptionally good front F.

I'm trying to help with value here, since that was the purpose of your thread. It is a less desirable variant of an obscure model, in only average condition and without a front F. I suspect it isn't worth overhauling in order to sell it. If it were me, I'd be happy to take $500.00 in its current condition.
Oh sorry, I misunderstood. I hoped it would be worth more than that, I see those Vito's go for double that. Looks like I won't be baritone shopping for a while...

I appreciate and value your opinion though, I just don't know enough about these horns, just want to play them!
 

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Oh sorry, I misunderstood. I hoped it would be worth more than that, I see those Vito's go for double that. Looks like I won't be baritone shopping for a while...

I appreciate and value your opinion though,
Well, it's still only one person's opinion: others may feel I've pitched it a but low, but the market definitely doesn't smile on horns without a front F. The Vitos that commanded high prices for a while were very much more modern, with Selmerish key work.

I ... just want to play them!
I well understand that feeling. My tenor (and its alto pair) aren't going anywhere: the market doesn't value them nearly as highly as I do!
 
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