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It doesn't mention Grenedilla so I think the majority of us who have wood pieces are safe.
 

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Gotta say that, while I'm not unsympathetic with environmental issues, I take great umbrage at any U.S. law that puts the burden of proof on the suspect rather than on the state.
 

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Ah, the US Government.....we'd rather go after wood that is imported than the corrupt Banking industry or Oil industry. Like the $85 million I think I read about today that one of the Banks is paying the FCC or SEC to avoid having to admit any wrong doing and having to face any criminal charges.....

Yeah....pat yourself on the back all you elected officials. Way to go.
 

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You never know.... that wood may be a threat to National Security!

It's a pretty sad statement when our tax dollars are spent in such a frivolous manner. But then again... I think most Americans are used to tax dollars being frittered away on useless activities.
 

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Despite what the article says, I really think that whatever kind of protection protected trees species are under this might be cause of concern only for the makers and not for the users. I truly think it would be impossible for anyone to prosecute someone because being in possession of a wooden object (be a guitar or a mouthpiece).
The only instance under which this could happen is if you are buying from abroad such an item and at custom an unlikely control could result in the item being confiscated and yes , even in a prosecution.
 

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What a bunch of tree hugger hippy bull****. I'm all for preserving the planet but this is just nuts. Take an instrument across a border and lose it because of the wood that's in it... As if you yourself went down there harvested the wood and made it into an instrument. I'm almost OK with them bugging Gibson, but the musicians? That's just idiotic. Let's just hope that second part is unfounded sensationaism and not even more big brother headache.
 

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well, it is much the same with turtle shell or elephant ivory , regardless of the fact that it is from a animal that is of course dead at the time of confiscation it is confiscated and destroyed (not sold or anything like that) if they find it at any border control.

If you try to sell an Ivory item that you cannot prove was made before 1947 your object (also a guitar!) will be confiscated and destroyed and you will be charged.

This is not hippy tree hugging is the only way to stop the trade of illegal things.

Again , woodwind wood might not be necessarily endangered and protected but if it were things could get problematic. By the way, certain types of Abalone are protected .
 

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Consider the source of this 'information'. It reads more like an opinion piece. How many musicians have had their instruments confiscated? How many thousand of acres of rainforest have been commercially exploited?
 

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iF EVERY guitar made before '47 would be confiscated and burnt I'd (and many many more other) be a happy hippie
 

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It's stupid to go after such an iconic American guitar company when importers will only do the same out of the Fish & Wildlife services jurisdiction. Ebony is the best wood for fretboards. I'm not giving up my ES-339 no way no how!
 

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Total crap! Maybe they would prefer that plastic be used so we can import the oil base from the mideast. I have a case of R-12 Freon hidden in my kitchen and expect the environarcs to bust down the door anytime.
 

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again, I don't think that individuals would ever be targeted by anyone. One example. I was a photographer for many years. At some point in the late '90 it became illegal to sell mercury thermometers in Europe. Photographic shops were allowed to sell their stock (and I bought several at the time) and nobody was ever going to bother to search the houses of any photographer who was still developing film himself and in fact we were never required to hand the thermometers in.

Similarly if you own a turtle shell item or an ivory item nobody is going to jail you for that! You are just not allowed to sell them (as any auction house will tell you) unless you have reasonable proof that it was made before 1947 (even just stylistic evidence) . Hopefully this will crack down the illegal Ivory and turtle shell trade and the slaughtering of turtles and Elephants.


We have the same problem with illegally harvested hardwood, for example to make garden furniture. Some dealers in some countries produce false certificates and illegally harvested hardwood finds its way to Europe or other parts of the world. If custom or other police agency can trace it they will confiscate it and burn it.

You might say, well, since the wood has been cut already why not selling it anyway? The reason is that you have to send a message and that is that the illegal trade has to stop or THE MAKERS OF ILLEGAL GOODS (not the end users who happen to have bought something in good faith!) will loose all their stock if they don't comply! Making illegally harvest wood worthless and dangerous to have for makers is the only way to stop this!

I have visited Martin guitars factory a few years ago. They make special inlayed guitars and they said that they are changing their inlays to be as beautiful as they can but at the same time to comply with the limitations of the law. this is what they do about it.

. F. Martin & Co., Inc. has announced the Third Wood Summit will be held at the company’s headquarters in Nazareth, PA on Thursday, May 12, 2011. The biennial full-day Summit will commence with an agenda of discussions, networking and presentations that address issues and trends related to the species and supply of woods purchased for acoustic guitars.

Directed to an audience of domestic and international suppliers representing 12 wood supply companies, the Summit will be facilitated by Wood Sourcing Specialist Linda R. Davis-Wallen and Michael Dickinson, Exotic, Alternative and Sustainable Wood Buyer.

The day’s themes will concentrate on the C. F. Martin Supplier Manual, as well as: updates regarding Forest Stewardship Council certification; Verification of Legal Origin and Harvest in C. F. Martin’s Supply Chain and theirs; the transparency and documentation that are necessary for Lacey Act compliance; New and alternative woods or materials and Species and supply issues.

“Our commitment to using pure and lasting wood products is reflected in the quality and craftsmanship of every Martin Guitar we produce,” says Chris Martin IV, CEO of Martin Guitar. “This Summit highlights that excellence and brings to the table important issues within our industry that will ensure those traditions continue and expand to more builders and designers.”





Maybe you think that this raid this is just a nuisance caused by a overly protective government but it isn't. Illegal logging has deep consequences if you see it on a global scale

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_logging


"......Illegal logging contributes to deforestation and by extension global warming, causes loss of biodiversity and undermines the rule of law. These illegal activities undermine responsible forest management, encourage corruption and tax evasion and reduce the income of the producer countries, further limiting the resources producer countries can invest in sustainable development. Illegal logging has serious economic and social implications for the poor and disadvantaged.

Furthermore, the illegal trade of forest resources undermines international security, and is frequently associated with corruption, money laundering, organized crime, human rights abuses and, in some cases, violent conflict. In the forestry sector, cheap imports of illegal timber and forest products, together with the non-compliance of some economic players with basic social and environmental standards, destabilise international markets. This unfair competition affects those European companies, especially the small and medium sized companies that are behaving responsibly and ready to play by fair rules..............."


Maybe you want to know more about restrictions and prohibitions in wood trade

http://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/restricted-and-endangered-wood-species/





Note that a listing generally means that trade of the raw wood, either in log, board, or veneer form, is restricted. On some species, the restriction is even greater, and includes even finished products made of or including a protected wood: one of the most common instances of this is with guitars made of Brazilian Rosewood. In these instances, it is illegal to take such items across international borders without a proper export permit.
If you believe that the wood or finished wood product was harvested/made before the date of the CITES listing, you still cannot legally travel with or export the wood unless you have written proof or other evidence that it was obtained before the listing date. If you have the required evidence, and are willing to pay a processing fee and wait 2-3 months for processing, then you may be eligible for a Pre-Convention Certificate.
In most cases, importing/exporting raw wood listed on CITES Appendices I or II can be complicated and costly, and in most cases, is neither legal nor encouraged. Some wood is further restricted to include even finished wood products, and in all but the most exceptional cases, is not recommended.
If ever in doubt on such complicated issues, be sure to consult proper authorities to get a matter clarified.
 

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All those things make me sad... :(

Stan
 

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All those things make me sad... :(

Stan
Older , Wiser , Sadder......... and HSM makes little use of wood and most of it is briar!
 

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Consider the source of this 'information'. It reads more like an opinion piece. How many musicians have had their instruments confiscated? How many thousand of acres of rainforest have been commercially exploited?
+1000!

Just as an aside, while I'm not a guitar player, if I owned a pristine 1920 Martin guitar, I sure wouldn't be traveling & crossing borders with it. I'd have it in a safe until I could get to the auction house...

p.s. Thanks Milandro for your well-researched and informed posting on this (I didn't quite wade through the entire long post, but I get the idea and you are right on).

p.p.s. Ok now I did read the whole thing. Well said!

Who needs a wooden mpc anyway?
 

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Cheers JL! Besides, you are definitely in the clear with a guitar from 1920! :bluewink: !
 

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I dunno, maybe plant more of those trees. That would be wiser in the long run anyway.

I know I know, it's not that simple.

Harv
 
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