[daviddoria]

Have any of you guys played through anything like this?

I've heard Jeff Coffin do it alot - best is on "Scratch & Sniff" on "Outbound" by Bela FLeck. What is he doing??

Thanks,

David

 

[Neil Sharpe]

Check out SOTW's article, by Johnny Ferreira, entitled, "Saxophone Recording Techniques." If you scroll down almost to the end of the article, you'll find an explanation and demonstration of the Wah-Wah pedal.
http://www.saxontheweb.net/Rock_n_Roll/RockSax13.html

 

[playitfunky]

Sanborn on Butterfat from the Album Taking Off I believe.

 

[Tim Price]

Coffin uses a Q'Tron kinda a unique pedal via a MuTron kinda vibe.

BOTH are different within various parameters...I use both on my basson and starting on my saxello too. I heard some older Elton Dean w/ Soft Machone and got inspired to throw that into the mix.

I used to use LINE 6 stuff but it was so involved it drove me crazy with the rules.

Q'tron is what Coffin uses- try both. Its ok to have a few ya know.
It's a funly sound.

 

[daviddoria]

What do you mean by

Q'Tron via MuTron ??

Is it one of these Q'Trons?
http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/home/navigation?q=q'tron

Thanks!

David

 

[Tim Price]

What do you mean by

Q'Tron via MuTron ??

Is this the Q'Tron?
http://www.harmony-central.com/Events/MusikMesse98/Sovtek/Q-Tron.html

Thanks!

David

David that IS it.

The one Bootsy Collins used. Coffin uses same deal

 

[Tim Price]

Davis check a MuTron too ok?

Kinda the same but not really. BOTH COOL.

 

[daviddoria]

Ok... whats the deal, I cant seem to find any good info!!

MuTron vs. Q-tron+ vs micro Qtron vs miniQtron

I see alot of forums that say "i like this better.."

but what is the difference?? anyone have recordings of sax through any of them?

 

[roberthelpus]

Here's the original Mu-Tron inventors site. pretty interesting. The ElectroHarmonix Q-Tron is an updated version designed by Mike Beigel, the original inventor.

Bootsy Collins used the Mu-Tron. Now Bootsy's stuff wasn't as it came out of the box. He was a Cincinnati boy and that was the word on the street, back in the day. You know what I'm sayin'

 

[Kritavi]

Is there a better electric bass sound in the world then the Bootsy Mu-tron? Bootsy is the best baby!!!

If you're talkin' wah-wah sax check out King Curtis who used it on a few things like Whiter Shade of Pale on the all time classic Live at the Fillmore East.

 

[daviddoria]

hmmm, am i right that an "envelope follower" is an auto-wah?

also, what am i loosing for $100 less?

http://www.guitarcenter.com/shop/home/navigation?q=q'tron

 

[DukeCity]

Yeah, "envelope follower," "envelope filter" and "auto wah" are pretty interchangeable.

Also, check out Michael and Randy Brecker (both of them use it) on the early Brecker Brothers records.

 

[daviddoria]

so i got a Dr. Q (the nano series i guess its called)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Electro-Harmoni...4064337QQihZ010QQcategoryZ41422QQcmdZViewItem

it does not work at all!!! i am using an audio-technica pro85xx (i forget exactly the number) - and no matter which position i set the only knob that is on it, it just makes this HUGE squeal like feedback!!

i also got this guy:
http://www.digitech.com/products/synthwah.htm

and the auto wah function works - but all other 6 modes give the same feedback!!

Is the real Q tron going to give me the same trouble??

 

[Dr G]

What are you feeding it? What signal? How is it conditioned?

 

[knighttrain]

Just running a wah in-line doesn't work. Been there - done that - got feedback (as above). I'll be interested in any solutions you guys have.
Another wah pedal user: Chris Wood of Traffic - Check out "Glad" - still sounds good.

 

[daviddoria]

I am just taking the signal from my Audio-technica ATM 35
http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/99c664d84f1a5c98/index.html

right to the wah... is that not appropriate? what do you mean by "conditioned"?

Thanks,

Dave

 

[daviddoria]

After talking with a friend, he recommended to reduce my "mic level" on my speaker because it is clipping which is the feedback sound i hear. I don't know why i didn't think about that, i'll get back to you tomorow with the results!

 

[kwg333]

After talking with a friend, he recommended to reduce my "mic level" on my speaker

As someone who uses effects and a wah pedal, I reckon that's the answer. I've got my effects board optimised - a noise gate can help - but in the end it's always down to the front-of-house sound engineer as to whether I get feedback or not. Some engineers know instinctively what to do - reduce levels in the monitor - and others don't. Rock sound engineers are quite often all at sea with saxophones. Throw a wah pedal into the equation and all hell can break lose. So I always sort this out at the soundcheck first. Of course, keep your mic pointed away from your monitor speaker.

 

[daviddoria]

ok yea that helped alot

so heres the next question

this "Dr. Q" seems not to be a wah at all, but rather add a "whizzzz"ing sound...

I got a DigiTech pedal and the wah worked ok...

so is the real QTron going to give an actual wah? the guys at the store told me it was just a smaller, less "options" version of the real Q

 

[newlifesax]

Q-Tron

I wrote Coffin to ask about his effect box...at the time my best description of what I heard was a "duck on steroids that dropped some acid." He's unbelievable on it. He also loved that description of the sound and said he'll be using it from then on when asked to describe the sound.

I did get one...could duplicate his sound...but not his playing. Ultimately I sent it back as it wasn't right for the groups I played with at the time. I've regretted sending it back and keep thinking I'll get another just so I can have the option.

New Life Sax