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Hi there,

I am new to posting on this forum. Have read a few posts in the past. But the reason I am posting today is because I have been given an alto saxophone and have no idea what brand it is. I was hoping someone may be able to help identify it for me.
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Any other markings on the horn? How ‘bout by the thumb rest?
 

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LH pinky table can also be distinctive!
 

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well, we have seen ( and spoken about it ) Oscar Adler before ( Adler means Eagle and on the side says O A & Co)

Just 2 of 159 hits on the search engine

https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?39015-Oscar-Adler-saxes
https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?292929-Who-ever-played-a-Oscar-Adler-Saxophone

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This is the OSCAR ADLER trademark, still used by the Moenning company

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Thanks for all the replies! Good to know what it is. Got a bit of reading to do!

For some reason I couldn't upload any more photos so here is a Google Photos link of all the photos I have of it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jZA1x4fhmcysE2p59

I have asked the people I know who repair saxophones and no one is willing to help. I've been doing some looking online for help on how to repair saxophones but wondering if anyone had any advice? Would be good to know the best place to order pads from as this one needs a full replacement set. New cork for the mouthpiece a real good clean, some key adjustments, and the bell also needs to be bent to put things in the right place. Am I best to do a new post with a specific title and description?

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Thanks for all the replies! Good to know what it is. Got a bit of reading to do!

For some reason I couldn't upload any more photos so here is a Google Photos link of all the photos I have of it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jZA1x4fhmcysE2p59

I have asked the people I know who repair saxophones and no one is willing to help. I've been doing some looking online for help on how to repair saxophones but wondering if anyone had any advice? Would be good to know the best place to order pads from as this one needs a full replacement set. New cork for the mouthpiece a real good clean, some key adjustments, and the bell also needs to be bent to put things in the right place. Am I best to do a new post with a specific title and description?

Thanks!
If you do not know how to repair saxes, then don’t try to do all that you are asking about.
It is very complicated and requires a lot fo skill and practice.
Find a good repair shop.
Please keep in mind a full pad overhaul will cost you a LOT.
First things first, take it to a tech to find out what is needed vs. what you think may be needed.
 

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That's what I am saying. The guys at the tech shops aren't telling me anything, I have asked 2 different ones (I am in New Zealand so don't have heaps). It was a saxophone that was given to me and I want to have a go. It currently doesn't work so am not too concerned if it doesn't work when I am done with it cause it doesn't work now. So basically I just need some direction.
 

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You should read through this first, PNG. FYI I bought a cheap King alto to try my hand at it. Its a lot more than I thought it would be. I've put about 20 hours into it so far and it's a long way from being right. Can I fix it? I think so. Is it worth that much of my time for what would ultimately be a $300 sax in perfect condition? Nope. If you're good with your hands and have a ton of patience then go for it. The sax didn't cost you anything and a set of pads and the tools will only set you back about $150-200. But you really should read the following thread before digging in: https://www.google.com/url?client=i...FjADegQICBAC&usg=AOvVaw22xy5FGXQAsau54VqD-0tK
 

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I still don’t understand repair people who refuse to work on certain brands of horns or won’t give their opinion on things. Any pro repair person should be able to repair any saxophone (with the exception of saxophone-shaped-objects from India etc.)
 

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I agree. The differences are small. It could be the availability of parts but that shouldn't be an issue unless a key was snapped off or lost somehow and that would be rare.
 

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I have asked the people I know who repair saxophones and no one is willing to help. I've been doing some looking online for help on how to repair saxophones but wondering if anyone had any advice? Would be good to know the best place to order pads from as this one needs a full replacement set. New cork for the mouthpiece a real good clean, some key adjustments, and the bell also needs to be bent to put things in the right place. Am I best to do a new post with a specific title and description?

Thanks!
No, don’t try to do this on your own you will more than likely mess it up. There are no SETS of pads , you need to measure diameter and thickness then apply the pads in the correct manner and then adjust the action with corks and felts.

It is NOT easy.


However , for a competent technician, there is nothing any different in this saxophone that any technician would not be able to do. Aside from pads ( by definition a replaceable part) , this horn has no parts missing (and even if there were parts missing they could be fabricated).

Any dent can be repaired.

One VERY important thing MAYBE that this horn is an High Pitch one ( as in being set in a different pitch, whereby the A= 457hz.) Pitch cannot be changed and you won’t be able to play with more modern instrument , to assess that you need to measure the body against the one of a more modern saxophone , if this is 5 or so cm. small er than it is an high pitch.

STILL it can be repaired and played with stringed instrument s or other high pitched instruments (not LOW pitch)

We have a tech from NZ who would certainly be able to tackle the job,
Gordon Palmer. Woodwind Repair Specialist in Auckland, NZ.

I do all work on saxes except for replating and relacquering. I also work on all other woodwinds. Extensive experience and very well equipped, working form home. No buying or selling.

Ph/Fax 64 9 625 9656
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BUT...

Are you sure that you want to invest WAAY more that this saxophone is or will ever be worth? In other words, if you have some emotional attachment to this horn because it belonged to some family of yours it is worth fixing but otherwise you will spend more than the saxophone is worth or will be worth after spending a lot of money.

Ask yourself, are you prepared to do that? And why?

This horn is probably worth something to someone whom would repair it itself but the cost of an overhaul is getting so high these days that with the money that you need for an overhaul you may aspire to buy a saxophone needing NO repair at all!
 

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I am very thankful for all the replies. Particularly the link from AddictedToSax. I knew it was going to be a big job but didn't quite realise how big lol!

I feel like I'm getting conflicting information. On one hand, people are saying don't do it yourself, just pay a professional technician to do it, and on the other, it's not worth paying a technician to do it. I understand it's not worth paying for as I don't know what it will really sound like at the end which is why I was exploring doing it myself. I don't have any connection with it as I was given it for free and thought it would be cool to try. Interesting however that that link AdditctedToSax sent starts of with basically don't start on a vintage sax for a first time.

Thanks milandro for the info about the pitch, I didn't know that was going to be an issue. I will definitely check that. And also, thanks for the link for Gordon Palmer. I might send him a message.
 

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The thing is that the market value of a similar horn in perfect playing condition is equal or even lower than the cost of a qualified technician to overhaul this horn.

So, purely from a monetary point of view, you would be probably better off in buying ANOTHER saxophone (which plays already and needs no or much less work) on the secondhand market.

It won’t be THIS one though! Which means that if there are any reasons for you to want THIS saxophone (as opposed to ANY OTHER saxophone) then it would be a good thing to have it done professionally.

We’ve had many people coming here to ask a question that they had answered in their mind before and were really not prepared to discuss. Can I fix a saxophone on my own? Of course you can, if you are a patient person and if you have talent for mechanics, if you invest money in materials and machinery and even then, you may fail to reach a satisfactory result.


There is a thread opened few weeks ago by someone whom has “ repaired” a few saxophones and finds that as soon as he leaves the bench the pads, which he thinks he has regulated, get out of regulation and the saxophone is no longer closing.
 

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Thanks for all the replies! Good to know what it is. Got a bit of reading to do!

For some reason I couldn't upload any more photos so here is a Google Photos link of all the photos I have of it.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/jZA1x4fhmcysE2p59

I have asked the people I know who repair saxophones and no one is willing to help. I've been doing some looking online for help on how to repair saxophones but wondering if anyone had any advice? Would be good to know the best place to order pads from as this one needs a full replacement set. New cork for the mouthpiece a real good clean, some key adjustments, and the bell also needs to be bent to put things in the right place. Am I best to do a new post with a specific title and description?

Thanks!
If I were in NZ I would be happy to do a service/refurb on your horn. I have actually refurbished a number of Adlers....

But yes you see the issue is, as others have stated...I would say 75% of techs, they see a vintage stencil horn and they do NOT even bother to assess whether it is a good-quality, well-made instrument or not.

The name = unfamiliar, it is vintage ...but not Conn, King, Selmer, etc....therefore it isn't worth their bother.

YES this is pathetic because not only is it lazy (because really, the tech is just saying "I don't wanna be bothered with this horn")...it is also ignorant, because as many folks here know...many stencil horns are actually quite GOOD (better than many recognizable name ones).

Adlers, the ones I have done, were well-made vintage horns...nothing particularly 'problematic' about them as I can recall...looking at the pics of this one, she is fully keyed, has a front F, and the pinky table looks quite OK (not poorly designed touches - although it appears the G# touch is either bent or disengaged). The only element I see as particularly 'old' is that the LH palm Eb touch is a 'shortie', as they tended to be on some vintage horns (Conn NWI's for example). Certainly not a big thang, quite easy to acclimate to.

I feel like I'm getting conflicting information. On one hand, people are saying don't do it yourself, just pay a professional technician to do it, and on the other, it's not worth paying a technician to do it. I understand it's not worth paying for as I don't know what it will really sound like at the end which is why I was exploring doing it myself.
I think the argument 'against' having a tech do it is, as MIlandro stated, simply a matter of the investment in the servicing will exceed the market value of the instrument.

If YOUR concern is "I will invest $ in this horn and it won't end up being a respectably-performing, good, reliable sax"....I will go out on the tiniest of limbs and say:

"No, it's likely WILL end up being a quite decent, good-playing, reliable sax". I have not seen an Adler which was not a quality instrument (based upon the yardsticks one uses to assess respectable vintage horns).
 

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Thanks for the thoughtful reply JayeLID. I took it to a local saxophone repairer and found out from him it is tuned wrong as it is a bit shorter than a normal alto. So milandro was right. A bit gutted but now I know I don't have to spend money on it or break it irreversably lol! Thanks again for everyones input. I lookforward to getting it mounted on a wall somewhere!
 

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Thanks for the thoughtful reply JayeLID. I took it to a local saxophone repairer and found out from him it is tuned wrong as it is a bit shorter than a normal alto. So milandro was right. A bit gutted but now I know I don't have to spend money on it or break it irreversably lol! Thanks again for everyones input. I lookforward to getting it mounted on a wall somewhere!
There is the possibility to sell your HP alto.

A SOTW member, Shirish Malhotra plays in the UK and in India and uses HP instruments (and probably procures them to Indian musicians). He has bought from a friend of mine an HP alto.

Good Luck

https://www.facebook.com/ShirishMalhotra/
 
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