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Getting into a college out of state is expensive, and to be realistic, as of right now,
it doesn't look like other states are much of a choice, but I still have that chance nevertheless.
I heard schools like North Texas and University of Texas should be my graduate schools rather than my undergraduate schools.
I'm still trying to figure out which schools in Texas would be good for undergraduate studies.
I'm planning to major in Music Ed. for now.
My skills are above average, and they should improve exponentially in 2012, because I actually learned how to practice somewhere this year.
I'm also a junior in high school as of now, so I feel like I'm running out of time.
 

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Why would you think UNT in Denton wouldn't be a good undergrad school? Perhaps you should visit and check it out. Excellent school, excellent community, and a world renowned Music program.
One of my friends was warned by his teacher not to go there for Undergrad, because you'll end being overshadowed by tons of better people.
I planned on going to North Texas as an undergraduate school, but I'm considering the advice given.
 

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And something like it be best to use schools like north Texas as a graduate school to get the most of it, if you are able to comprehend my explanation.

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If you're planning to go to North Texas for grad school, you will be MUCH better off if you go there for your Bachelor's degree as well. The competition is not especially fierce amongst Music Ed majors; there are plenty of spots in the concert bands and the marching band. The real competition is in the jazz lab bands, which you're not required to do for an ed degree. It's an excellent music school and it's great for lifting people up instead of holding them down, contrary to popular belief. If you're missing some fundamentals when you get there, there will be plenty of great, constructive teachers to help you get over that. If you have a good work ethic and a positive attitude, it's a worthwhile experience.
 

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I'm currently a college saxophonist right now and I really do think that being overshadowed is a really good thing. It definitely helps keep me motivated and it also makes it really easy to ask grad students (or older undergrads) for help. One of our grad students is a killer soprano player, so I've been doing a bunch of soprano work with him outside of the work that I do with my normal teacher and it has really taken me to a whole new level. Just something to think about.

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Yes that's what I had in mind. I don't know, maybe because my teacher thinks I have more potential than my friend because he's a senior, I might get told differently next year.
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After reading on the forum for several years of teenagers saying, "I heard" or "someone told me", I'm almost tempted to declare a universal ban on any kids listening to their peers advice on anything. Mamma mia! Anyway - - -

Chunsoo, you should not be apologetic about having to go to school in Texas. It has some of the strongest collegiate music programs in the country and you should look into all of them. My list in order of preference:

University of North Texas
Rice University
University of Texas at Austin

after those, maybe TCU, SMU, Univ of Houston

then maybe Texas Tech, Stephen Austn, Texas State at San Marcos.

You're in Texas. You should do some research yourself.
 

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Getting in over your head can be a good thing, but it depends on how over your head you are.

I wasn't an especially good HS saxophone player, at least in retrospect. I was the best in my high school, but I went to a private school and my band only had about 30 members and that was grades 7-12. My parents didn't give me a choice of where to go to school initially, I had to start off at the University of Houston. I went there for a few semesters, played in the marching band and basketball band, but failed the audition into the school of music and was never an actual music major there. I went to a local community college with a good reputation for music, got good instruction from some monster players, started studying jazz, and improved a lot in two years.

When it came time to transfer back to a 4 year university, I still intended to be Music Ed, but I wanted some place with a jazz program/degree. That pretty much left UNT, Texas, and Texas State. From where I was at that point, I don't think I would've done well at UNT. I think I would've gotten buried. There's what, 120 saxophone players there? To big of a pond for me. UT has a really good program, though smaller (almost every program is smaller compared to UNT), but at the time they were kind of overcrowded. So I opted for Texas State. It was a good situation for me. Fairly big program (4th largest music school in the state after UNT, UT, and UH). I was able to step in, not be buried but have people above me to aspire to and people on my level to push me. So with the jazz bands there, I spent one semester as lead alto in the 3rd band, one semester as 2nd tenor in the 2nd band and then 2 years in the top band, one semester as 2nd alto and the rest as lead. It allowed a nice progression. Maybe I could've dealt with a bigger pond and more competition, but I don't know how much bigger. I still don't think I couldn't handled UNT at that time.

So I really think it's about knowing yourself and what environment you're likely to succeed in. There's a player on here, James Barger, who goes to West Texas A&M (?). Not the first school you think of when thinking of music schools in Texas, but he's a great classical saxophonist. He's been able to succeed in what I assume is a smaller environment.

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Go to the different music department websites and find out what their audition requirements are. If you haven't already, start working on the music you'll use for your audition. Auditions usually take place from November - February/March. So you've got a year, give or take a few months.

Also, don't go to the University of Houston. I like UH, I support their athletic teams, but the Moores School of Music is run really poorly. When I was there, I was allowed to take theory classes. After I took theory elsewhere, I realized that the way they teach it there is a joke. The book, that their faculty wrote, is abnormally thin and they rush into things and don't explain it well. They had us trying to do 4 part harmony in the 2nd week of school and didn't have a clue about what I was supposed to be doing. Last year I tried to go back to take some post graduate courses but trying to get anything done was a nightmare. It was a nightmare. Nobody knew what the hell they were doing and I couldn't even through the application without jumping through a million needless hoops. Again, it was a joke. I ended up not taking any classes there. A lot of the graduates that I know don't speak highly of the program either. They went there because UH threw scholarship money at therm, not because they had a high opinion of the program. Do yourself a favor and cross them off the list.

That said, I've known people who've gone to UT, UNT, UT-Arlington, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech, Stephen F. Austin, Sam Houston, UTEP and UTSA and they all seem like viable options.
 

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After reading on the forum for several years of teenagers saying, "I heard" or "someone told me", I'm almost tempted to declare a universal ban on any kids listening to their peers advice on anything. Mamma mia! Anyway - - -

Chunsoo, you should not be apologetic about having to go to school in Texas. It has some of the strongest collegiate music programs in the country and you should look into all of them. My list in order of preference:

University of North Texas
Rice University
University of Texas at Austin

after those, maybe TCU, SMU, Univ of Houston

then maybe Texas Tech, Stephen Austn, Sexas State at San Marcos.

You're in Texas. You should do some research yourself.
You can't be a sax music major at Rice. The Shepherd School is purely classical orchestral and choral. The band program, which is separate from the school of music, is for non-music majors. The band is housed in the basement of one building and actual school of music is in a completely different building. They're segregated. There's a great jazz sax instructor, one of my former teachers, in the band program, but the Shepherd School of Music has no sax teacher.
 

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If I was in your shoes the choice would be clear. North Texas, hands down. It's one of the finest music programs in the country, especially for jazz. And, Lord knows, our schools could use a few more band directors that actually know something about improvisational music.
 

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My youngest got his ba fron UNT, then his masters. It's a great program, great school, can't imagine any reason to go somewhere else for your 4 yr degree. I would question that advice, and as was said, Texas has some of the best music programs anywhere, consider yourself lucky...
 

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You can't be a sax music major at Rice. The Shepherd School is purely classical orchestral and choral. The band program, which is separate from the school of music, is for non-music majors. The band is housed in the basement of one building and actual school of music is in a completely different building. They're segregated. There's a great jazz sax instructor, one of my former teachers, in the band program, but the Shepherd School of Music has no sax teacher.
Good that you clarified that, thanks. To the best of my knowledge, Chunsoo is a classical player - at least the video/audio examples he gives are so I wasn't thinking jazz. Nevertheless, I wasn't aware that Rice didn't have a sax prof. Wow. Considering the heaviness of the faculty (I was attracted by Horn prof. William ver Meulen), I just took it for granted that it would have a sax prof of comparable stature. Man, that sucks!
 

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My UNT experience (BM '90 MM '92) was fantastic, and I certainly recommend a close look. I can also say from firsthand experience that both David Dees at Texas Tech and Nathan Nabb at Stephen F. Austin are world-class players and teachers. You would be remiss if you overlooked either.
 

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I somewhat play jazz, I prefer it over classical.
I was recommended Stephen F. Austin also, but I didn't know the exact reasons why.
 

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If you're planning to go to North Texas for grad school, you will be MUCH better off if you go there for your Bachelor's degree as well. The competition is not especially fierce amongst Music Ed majors; there are plenty of spots in the concert bands and the marching band. The real competition is in the jazz lab bands, which you're not required to do for an ed degree. It's an excellent music school and it's great for lifting people up instead of holding them down, contrary to popular belief. If you're missing some fundamentals when you get there, there will be plenty of great, constructive teachers to help you get over that. If you have a good work ethic and a positive attitude, it's a worthwhile experience.
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Good that you clarified that, thanks. To the best of my knowledge, Chunsoo is a classical player - at least the video/audio examples he gives are so I wasn't thinking jazz. Nevertheless, I wasn't aware that Rice didn't have a sax prof. Wow. Considering the heaviness of the faculty (I was attracted by Horn prof. William ver Meulen), I just took it for granted that it would have a sax prof of comparable stature. Man, that sucks!
It's just that the actual school of music doesn't deal in wind band music at all. It's all orchestra and chamber music. There would be no ensembles a sax could play in so there's no point in having a sax teacher. Well, there are ensembles ("marching" band, symphonic & jazz bands) but like I said, those are completely separate form the school of music.

But other than that, I agree with you. If you're a purely classical player and you play an instrument other than saxophone, Rice would be a great place to go.

And I know Chunsoo plays mostly classical, I was just trying to share my experience and since I'm more of a jazz player, that's how I chose to frame my response.
 
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