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I'm sure that this issue has been discussed over the years, so feel free to direct me to the appropriate thread, if I am off, or even to the appropriate Youtube video.

When people talk about clip-on mics, or even "wireless" mics, they seem to be talking about the type that clips onto the bell of the saxophone, and then has a thin wire that runs down to a receiver located in the player's pocket somewhere. It is "wireless" in the sense that the receiver has no wire running to the amplifier or mixing console, but it is not "wireless" in the absolute sense of the word, because it still has a wire hanging from the bell of the sax.

I don't know if they have one these days, that is entirely self-enclosed without any wires whatsoever, that either transmits in the usual way, to a base station somewhere, or else that works with Bluetooth, for example. I have access to a powered loudspeaker with built-in Bluetooh and built-in reverb, and it would be great to top it off by using a completely wireless clip-on mic that transmitted directly to the speaker, bypassing the need for any mixing console in certain situations.

If such clip-on mics exist, do they cost $1,000? Are there cheaper ones, also?

Finally, if they exist, are there small, medium, and large versions? (smaller the better)

Sorry to be in the Dark Ages here.
 
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Have you seen this?


I haven't used it, but Jay liked it. It's available here for about $500.
 

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Sennheiser makes some excellent systems. A little pricey, but excellent range and connection properties. Plus, it's Sennheiser so you've got good support and historical development.
 

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M.Michel: Thank you for the link, and for the clarification regarding Bluetooth.

Liggy: Thank you for the link. That's even cheaper.

Couffy: Thanks for the lead.
 
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On the higher end of things AMT makes amazing mics and wireless systems that are compact. Both mic and transmitter are one unit, which I prefer as well. They also have a unique mic for soprano and bari.

AMT Saxophone Microphones

I had an old Samson that had this AMT design and loved it until the useable wireless frequencies made it obsolete.
 

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When people talk about clip-on mics, or even "wireless" mics, they seem to be talking about the type that clips onto the bell of the saxophone, and then has a thin wire that runs down to a receiver located in the player's pocket somewhere. It is "wireless" in the sense that the receiver has no wire running to the amplifier or mixing console, but it is not "wireless" in the absolute sense of the word, because it still has a wire hanging from the bell of the sax.

If such clip-on mics exist, do they cost $1,000? Are there cheaper ones, also?

Finally, if they exist, are there small, medium, and large versions? (smaller the better)

Sorry to be in the Dark Ages here.
The AKG C519ML comes with an "adapter plate" that lets you attach a standard AKG body pack directly to the mic. You still need a short cable to connect them, but for all practical purposes it is a real wireless set up. The mic and the body pack as a whole is a bit bigger than the Samson and also a bit plasticky but it works well (for me, at least). Also, you can easily switch between wired and wireless modes just by changing the cable, so it is versatile in that respect.
Here in Europe, the mic is about 130 euros and AKG´s cheapest wireless system is well below 100 euros, so it is very far from $1,000.

If you want something better with the same fuctionality, I guess you will have to look at SD systems or AMT, but then you´re beyond even a thousand dollars. As far as I know, Sennheiser doesn´t have any practical "one-unit" solutions. If they do, I would love to know!

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Thank you, CannonJT. I wonder why the mic is so big on the AMT, with a battery-pack attached, and yet, so small on the CloudVocal, if they both use separate receivers?
 

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Thank you, SaxRay.

So, in theory, I am hoping to avoid all cables and wires entirely, and still have as small a mic as possible, attached to the bell, and, of course, pay less than $800. I wouldn't mind having a receiver in my pocket, as long as there were no wires, cables, or atennas hanging out. It would be just my luck to snag it on something, while playing in a dark environment.

Believe it or not, a month ago, for example, I started playing my straight soprano with the Pad-Saver still inside it. It wouldn't play well for the first two notes, but I kept trying, and my wife noticed immediately, and came running up to the stage to pull it out for me, bottom first, as I just continued to play.
 

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By the way, what is the correct term for the type of mic that I am looking for? If I call it a "wireless clip-on microphone," people sometimes think I am talking about not having an XLR cable running from the belt-pack to the speaker or mixing console, but what I mean is "no wires anywhere at all," including from the mic to the mini-receiver or belt pack, and preferably no antenna wire dangling from it, either. Should I call it a "wireless wireless clip-on microphone?"
 

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Believe it or not, a month ago, for example, I started playing my straight soprano with the Pad-Saver still inside it. It wouldn't play well for the first two notes, but I kept trying, and my wife noticed immediately, and came running up to the stage to pull it out for me, bottom first, as I just continued to play.
Not all heroes wear capes. Make sure to keep her around.

The mental picture of this scenario has me laughing at my desk.
 

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Thank you, SaxRay.

So, in theory, I am hoping to avoid all cables and wires entirely, and still have as small a mic as possible, attached to the bell, and, of course, pay less than $800. I wouldn't mind having a receiver in my pocket, as long as there were no wires, cables, or atennas hanging out. It would be just my luck to snag it on something, while playing in a dark environment.

Believe it or not, a month ago, for example, I started playing my straight soprano with the Pad-Saver still inside it. It wouldn't play well for the first two notes, but I kept trying, and my wife noticed immediately, and came running up to the stage to pull it out for me, bottom first, as I just continued to play.
I can tell you that the pad saver I am using would prevent any air to go through the horn, it's an older one and really dense. But it's happened to me, not on stage but practicing.

And kudos to your wife!
 

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Thank you, CannonJT. I wonder why the mic is so big on the AMT, with a battery-pack attached, and yet, so small on the CloudVocal, if they both use separate receivers?
I can't answer with any authority since I'm not a microphone engineer, but I would imagine it has something to do with the microphone specs, range, frequency spectrum and battery capacity (removeable/replaceable with the AMT, integrated and rechargeable with the CloudVocal).

Due to control over environment and the host of things that can go wrong/non replaceable batteries wearing out over time, I prefer mics that have replaceable batteries. If the mic loses power on stage, it's easy to pop in a couple batteries. If the rechargeable loses charge or dies in the middle of a set it's not easy to gain battery power fast.

I don't own either product though. I would love to own the AMT, but don't have that kind of cash until the casino gigs start rolling again.
 

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Yes, my wife has been a life saver like that.

Incidentally, I meant to say that the pad-saver issue all happened while I was playing in public, if that was not clear.
 

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Wow. I did not know that the CloudVocal mic used an integrated rechargeable battery. That is not good. I agree with you, that I would rather have a replaceable battery, because sooner or later, those rechargeables conk out. Thank you for that observation
 

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Wow. I did not know that the CloudVocal mic used an integrated rechargeable battery. That is not good. I agree with you, that I would rather have a replaceable battery, because sooner or later, those rechargeables conk out. Thank you for that observation
The older Samson units used aaa batteries. Very convenient to use. Even though they quoted 8 hours i just popped in a new one for every gig and taped a spare to the wall wart power supply. The AWX has a built in rechargeable which I am not a fan of. Works fine though.

Full disclosure- I bought the Cloudvocal Prime as a backup but I can’t recommend it yet because I haven’t used it live. Pretty much a pandemic boredom purchase. The harmonizer is pretty cool, btw.

I like that it has built in effects and I love that you can go completely wireless with it. No battery pack and no need to plug in to power. The mount sucks though. Sounds good to my wife - who ran to a music store to buy me a neck strap once as I forgot one at home once. Saved the day! ❤

I have a 30,000mah power bank that can power the receiver in theory for 6-8 hours. Combined with the Mackie Freeplay Live I can be amplified on battery power only. :)
 

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I am retired, but many moons ago I bought a wired, clip on mic by Audio Technica that was very small and clipped on my bell. It was amazing, fantastic sound quality, and the guys in my band said it sound way better than any high $$$ mic I used. A few year later, and this is around the 90's, Audio Technica and another company, maybe Samson got together and produced one that I think was called the ARM35. It had a clip on mic of very high quality, and took one AAA battery, and was very small. It had about a 3 inch wire on it for transmission. It also had the receiver that was about the size of a pack of smokes with a AA battery in it, and the XLR mic cord connected to it. I loved it, and it gave me the freedom the wired unit did not have. To be honest, the sound quality was a tad less because they used a less expensive mic, but it still blew away using a conventional mic.
There is nothing on the market today like it, and the best part was it cost me around $350 back then. The technology seems to have gone backwards, because it was so small, light, and inexpensive. I guess it was too good of a product. Beats anything made today that I am aware of.
 

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Just did some research, and the wireless Audio Technia/Samson is no longer made. It was around only about 2 years when I bought it around 1990. Too bad, because it was the smallest, and lightest unit ever made, and the receiver was so small. What is still around is the ATM 35, which I had first, and is a wired one going to a small box that you connect your mic cord to. That was the best one for sound, and is still made. I used to run the wire down the side of my tenor, and tape it to the key covers for the low keys on the bell. Kept me from stumbling over it when I moved. The only problems was the mic was so sensitive that it picked up the key noise being transmitted through the body of the tenor. Any clip on mic will probably do that. For highest quality, a wired mic is best, and this one has a fantastic mic in it. Here is a picture of it. It can take the high sound pressure of a tenor at the most extreme volume. It is a condenser mic, and it is a great one.
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That's great information, Styles. if I understood you correctly you are saying that no Wireless clip on microphone under $1,000 is going to be as good as the wired clip-on microphones, in terms of sound quality. thank you for doing the research and giving me the information about the wired option, in case I never find perfect wireless option at the right price.
 
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