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Just received this from an Ebay auction. The seller thought it might be German. Looked italian to me (vintage Rampone?) but after getting it I do not know. Any thoughts





 

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Trebor? That's a sweet manufacturer, used to have the factory in my home town (used to be Sharps before it became Trebor Sharps), you could tell when they were producing their toffee, you could smell it across town, lovely! All gone now, now it's overpriced apartments.
 

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Rampone and Cazzani ?
 

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Picture doesn't show perspective. Looks like a C-Melody. Could be a Tenor, but hard to tell from the pics. Does it play as good as looks it might?
 

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It's definitely a tenor not a C mel. It doesn't play right now, but as soon as I finish a few of the other saxes that are in my garage...
 

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I don't know. The bow reinforcement looks Italian, but other features are a bit plain for that. I have some Italian saxes, but nothing German. I think eastern European is likely.

I like the bare brass look.
 

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That is one unique Bb spatula though! Looks like it might work well too.
 

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Ressurecting this thread as I finally busted this horn out and tried it. When I first picked it up I thought, "this is too small, It going to be high pitched!". But placing next to a Dolnet I had on my workbench it was about the same height althought with a smaller bell (bore?). the pads are still fairly supple after improvising a felt for the A key the upper stack actually didn't leak and the lower stack was good enough with moderate pressure to play test it. Had to push the mouthpiece (Zagar) on quite a ways to keep it from being flat all over but after that the intonation is actually pretty good. No worse than other horns from the 20s-30s which is when I am guessing this was made. It's not gonna dethrone my main horns but definitely playable at a gig. It has a mellow tone a bit on the dark side due mostly to the rivet pads that are on it but nice. After getting it tweaked a bit more I will try to post some sound clips.
 

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I don't know why I haven't seen this before but it looks like the usual suspect " Alfonso Rampone" from Quarna, not Rampone & Cazzani,check it against other Alfonso Rampone ;)
 

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here's some better pics







When I first saw the Pictures I thought "italian". The seller thought it was german and the finish work and key design does kinda say german or czech but I have only seen that bell brace on italian horns and the overall appearance looks like those Getzen saxes, just much older.
 

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in fact this, I think, is a Agostino Rampone, NOT a Rampone & Cazzani on the other hand why are you so sure? The Old Rampone were not too dissimilar , remember that the Old Rampone can be very different from the new!
 

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It looks similar to some pictures of the alphonso rampone that I found on Google. It also looks a lot like the older alexandre saxes with the inverted bell brace. There was a sax on junk dudes site that was similar, Andrea something. The design of the keywork is odd to say the least but the sax does have some Italian characteristics: the basic shape of the body/bell, the bell brace, the thumbhook and the cheese grater G# key. At any rate , I have never seen another one like it and it is not a bad sax at all. Looks very hand made, like many early 20th century saxes. Variation in the shape of the keyguard feet and keywork finishing. I think it dates a little later. 30s maybe.
 

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I think that as close as we can get to an I.D. The bell brace is really not a bad idea at all. the bell has been smacked and was pushed toward the body but since the bell brace gave a little bit the body tube was spared the usual damage from the brace being pushed into the body tube. like a built in weak spot. probable not their intention but it made fixing the bell easy. Just pulled it back out and tweaked the brace a bit.
 

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Agostino Rampone is the Rampone of the Rampone & Cazzani.

http://www.ramponecazzani.it/static/english/lastoria_index.htm

Alfonso Rampone is a family member who also had a Musical instruments business in Quarna. Different companies though.

My point in showing the AGOSTINO Rampone in this context was to show that that particular brace was not uncommon in Quarna where both companies had their factories.

But I am rather convinced that the horn in question is an ALFONSO Rampone because this company sort of specialised in producing stencils under " anybody who came along" name to buy them . In later years they might even have had some serious contacts with Malerne or might have heavily copying them
 

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That would explain the close similarities between many of the italian horns and the malernes.
 
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