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Hi all,

Two Dutch tenor players with a heavy sound have just recorded and released a new CD in the style of the "Tough Tenors" Johnny Griffin and Eddy Lockjaw Davis.

Here is an example YouTube clip of 'Oh, gee' (Wouter plays the first tenor solo, Rinus the second):

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zicu1WuDQSc

More information on the CD can be found here (Dutch info only :|):
http://www.16mb.nl/gk.html

Personnel:
- Rinus Groeneveld & Wouter Kiers: tenorsaxophone
- Cajan Witmer: piano
- Hans Ruigrok: bass
- Maarten Kruijswijk: drums

Recorded in April 2012 in the studio of Rinus Groeneveld in Amsterdam.

Enjoy :) !!!
 

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I remember a younger Rinus playing with my friends OAAO in Amsterdam. Great player!
Indeed :). Rinus is already musically active for more than 40 years now and plays all kind of styles.

Sorry for my ignorance, but who are/where your OAAO friends Joe?
 

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Indeed :). Rinus is already musically active for more than 40 years now and plays all kind of styles.

Sorry for my ignorance, but who are/where your OAAO friends Joe?
OAAO was the first incarnation of Herbert DeJonge (piano), Chiel Dhont (contrabass) and Hans Houtman (batterie). They became OBAO some time later. They are based in Amsterdam. I know that Chiel lives outside Amsterdam now. A great trio still (although not very active, I understand), and when I first played with them in the mid 1970's, they were very much influenced by Paul Bley's music. I met them through Sean Bergin and Tristan Honsinger, and Willem Breuker.
 

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Whoaaa, good stuff. Exactly the set-up we adopted with Dexdex and friends. We're not at this level but keep trying...
J
 

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OAAO was the first incarnation of Herbert DeJonge (piano), Chiel Dhont (contrabass) and Hans Houtman (batterie). They became OBAO some time later. They are based in Amsterdam. I know that Chiel lives outside Amsterdam now. A great trio still (although not very active, I understand), and when I first played with them in the mid 1970's, they were very much influenced by Paul Bley's music. I met them through Sean Bergin and Tristan Honsinger, and Willem Breuker.
Thanks for the extra background Joe :). I just found out about them. I'm visiting jazz concerts since the early 80's, but am more into styles from before the 60's. O.BA.O still performs, they actually have a concert this Saturday in Amsterdam (http://www.dhont.nl/obao/obao.htm), very close to the studio of Rinus :).

Whoaaa, good stuff. Exactly the set-up we adopted with Dexdex and friends. We're not at this level but keep trying...
J
Thanks Jacques (I can recommend the whole CD) :). Each group of musicians trying to keep this style of music alive has my respect (no matter what level).
 

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Seen Wouter at the Cafe Alto several times... a seriosuly powerful tenor man (what is it with amsterdam and big toned, bluesy tenor players.... could be something in the water, I remember being particuarly pleased with my own tenor performance when I palyed at the Paradiso a few years ago). Any idea if its possible to mail order the CD from the UK- or if its likely to come up on digital download formats?
 

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Thanks for that Peter. I liked the fact that no charts were present and all players were using memory, wits and adrenaline.
Excellent tone on both horns.
cheers, Mark.
Thanks Mark :).

Saw them live last Sunday (and before), nobody uses charts in that band. The adrenaline thing is even better live compared to the studio cuts.
 

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Seen Wouter at the Cafe Alto several times... a seriosuly powerful tenor man (what is it with amsterdam and big toned, bluesy tenor players.... could be something in the water
So now you call it water? :)
 

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Thanks for the extra background Joe :). I just found out about them. I'm visiting jazz concerts since the early 80's, but am more into styles from before the 60's. O.BA.O still performs, they actually have a concert this Saturday in Amsterdam (http://www.dhont.nl/obao/obao.htm), very close to the studio of Rinus :).



Thanks Jacques (I can recommend the whole CD) :). Each group of musicians trying to keep this style of music alive has my respect (no matter what level).
Same here for me. I didn't know this group either, and they're great! Here's a link to a chunk of a recent performance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfWbXTdzj2k&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And that is wonderful meaty stuff from Rinus and Wouter. They're both in great shape on this clip.
 

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Seen Wouter at the Cafe Alto several times... a seriosuly powerful tenor man (what is it with amsterdam and big toned, bluesy tenor players.... could be something in the water, I remember being particuarly pleased with my own tenor performance when I palyed at the Paradiso a few years ago). Any idea if its possible to mail order the CD from the UK- or if its likely to come up on digital download formats?
Drummer Maarten Kruijswijk distributes the CD (see http://www.16mb.nl/gk.html).
Don't know if he delivers outside NL, you could just ask him by email: groenkiers AT 16mb.nl (I also just contacted Maarten to ask him about this).

So now you call it water? :)
I know those guys quite well and never saw them with a 'white nose', so it must be the water :mrgreen:.
Anyhow, playing this kind of music is physically very demanding, so they are (and have to stay) in very good shape.
 

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Nice clip! Like how the first tenor solo starts out just in the Eddie Lockjaw style.
Indeed Roger, Wouter Kiers uses several Lockjaw licks on this CD. Wouter often studies the music of his hero's in great detail.
He also recorded a Boots Randolph tribute DVD some years ago, see this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6aCnlAmEm4

Rinus plays on the Tough Tenor CD more in a kind of Dexter Gordon style (who is one of his main influences, besides Texas Tenors), just to have some contrast opposed to the style of Wouter (like Griff sounding different than Lockjaw in the original Tough Tenors).
 

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This sound just can't be beat; I never tire of tough tenors. Thanks Mr.PB!
 

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Same here for me. I didn't know this group either, and they're great! Here's a link to a chunk of a recent performance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfWbXTdzj2k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Here's a picture of my quartet including Amsterdam O.BA.O members Chiel Dhont (left) and Herbert DeJonge (2nd from right)that did a US tour in maybe 1979. At right is drummer Harvey Sorgen ( Hot Tuna, Ahmad Jamal, et al )

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Let me add that the Dutch music scene is fantastic. For all who want to know its jazz history, the book to have is NEW DUTCH SWING by Kevin Whitehead
 

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Nice picture Joe, thanks for sharing :). Would have loved to have seen you guys play back than, but I guess I was a bit too young for that kind of music in those days.

Also thanks for the compliment on the Dutch music scene. We have a long history here in jazz, Hawk (and Benny Carter) visited my country already in the mid 30's:
http://forum.saxontheweb.net/showth...man-Hawkins!&p=1966418&viewfull=1#post1966418
 

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This clip actually reminds me more of the Sil Austin/Red Prysock/King Curtis/Louis Jordan style of early blues-based rock and roll tenor playing, rather than the Griffin/Lockjaw sessions, which seem more steeped in real hard bop jazz; but this is fun and a great treat for Thanksgiving weekend. Thanks for posting.
 
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