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I just bought a Durga 4 metal 8* and had saved up for a year to get it so was super excited for it to arrive not having "clicked with any of my other mouthpieces yet.
It was bit of an adjustment to an 8 from the David Zagar Cool School I'd been playing on but I definitely prefer a smaller mouthpiece after finding the Jody Jazz HR always seeming "flat" and just too big in my mouth. (I have residual effects of Bell's Palsy that affected the use of some of my facial muscles) so I thought I'd see if it worked better moving the ligature forward one notch. Took out the trusty included hex screwdriver and loosened the screws and that's when it all went badly!
the ligature just would not fit back on the mouthpiece at all!! I unscrewed the screws all the way, and tried several times to re-attach the ligature to another position without success. I ended up going back to the middle position it had come in, screwed the screws in but it appears to have somehow stretched the width of the ligature so now it just falls right off!
I am beyond belief disappointed, especially as it cost me way more than I could really justify but I'd heard they were the bees knees. Now, after just one day, I have a ligature that doesn't work and a long dreamed of mouthpiece I can't even play because none of my other ligatures fit on it.
I am beyond disappointed. I've written to them to let them know what happened. I'm going to make a YouTube video to show what happened as I'm sure mine can't be an isolated case. At the price these mouthpieces are, I expect that the included ligature works the way it's supposed to. If they are not meant to be adjusted, then maybe don't include a screwdriver and instructions inside the box telling you the ligature can be moved up or down to change the tone from "more spread" to "more focussed"?
I seriously just cried when it all fell apart in my hands.
Note to self: Don't believe the hype!
I've read this a couple of times and for the life of me can't even figure out how this would happen. The only thing I could figure is that instead of loosening the screws maybe you were tightening the screws more and that act was somehow pushing the metal of the ligature outward and expanding it? I have no idea.........
 

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Update:
...at least I can finally play this thing now!
And I have to say, after playing on it all day, and frustrations with fiddly ligature screws aside, I think I have found my soul mate mouthpiece at last! It totally ROCKS!!!
Note to self: Sometimes hype is legit 😂
I'm glad you got this sorted out Lisa, and even better that you love the mpc.

But if you still have any problems with that ligature, keep in mind the mpc will play just as well with a different lig as long as it fits. I'm just saying the ligature is not what makes that a great mpc (which I'm sure you realize).
 

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Update:
The guys at Theo Wanne got back to me straight away with assurances that they'd sort it out and replace it if need be (kudos to them for great customer service)
Was telling a friend about how frustrated I was by it and he says "Show me" so I did and he fiddled around with it and somehow managed to re-attach it making me feel like a total idiot! I have no idea what he did that I hadn't done as the lig had ended up stretched a lot wider from my attempts to re-insert the tiny hex screws than it had when I first took it off, and are now screwed almost all the way into the holes to hold it in place, but at least I can finally play this thing now!
And I have to say, after playing on it all day, and frustrations with fiddly ligature screws aside, I think I have found my soul mate mouthpiece at last! It totally ROCKS!!!
Note to self: Sometimes hype is legit ?
If you are looking for a trouble free upgrade to Theo's lig I just tried my Vandoren Optimum V16 lig on my Gaia 3 Metal Tenor and it fits great and plays better.
 

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For me, radial screws are mostly a pain, and a geometrical nonsense. Furthermore, TW’s stuff makes it an additional pain to cover your reed during breaks. On their HR pieces, you can use other ligs and caps, dunno about their current metal pieces. The older metal models I played (Brahma and Datta) could also take any lig & cap.
The current metal TW mouthpieces can take any ligature that fits all you have to do is unscrew the Liberty ligature and remove it. I use Rovner light 3ML on my tenor and baritone Durgas, big improvement in the response!
 

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Hi All

I currently use a Theo Wanne Gai 2 Metal mouthpiece but yesterday decided to get out the Hard Rubber equivalent which I haven't used in a while.

Personally I prefer to use the metal version pure and simply because it has a built in ligature which is useable and feels more comfortable in my mouth whilst the HR version has that dreadful metal ring ligature that never keeps the reed in place when you try and tighten it so its always a real hassle putting a reed on and keeping it in the right place.

The HR seems to create a better sound when playing some songs whilst the metal one seems to be able to generate more power and has a punchier aspect to it but that just may be because I havent used the HR one in a while but the biggest difference imo is that the HR seems to handle saliva build up inside the chamber better than the metal one with the latter always generating that saliva moving around the mouthpiece swirling noise.

Anyway this is not a post about HR v Metal but an enquiry as to what people think about the ligature approach by Theo Wanne?

I cant understand why they have a built in one for the metal and a very unpractical more or less unuseable one for the HR mouthpiece.

In fact I use a Rovner on the HR as it seems to hold a reed much better and tbh am thinking of doing the same for the metal one too as even that built in one isnt ideal.

Just be interested to hear everyone elses thoughts on this aspect of ligatures for Theo Wanne mouthpieces and whether anyone else has done similar or tried to substitute the original ones with alternatives

Although I am no expert on sax or on mouthpieces and/or ligatures I cant help but feel that the ligature approach on Theo Wanne mouthpieces are more for show and a gimmick rather than some kind of superior design for ligatures. and superior and/or optimal performance
As many may be aware, the pressure plates on TW ligatures are all the same size-they sell a pressure plate kit that has plates of different finish and thickness, they say it can be used on any Enlightened or Liberty ligature for soprano, alto, tenor, or baritone sax. But I would think that as the reed gets larger, the plate should be a bit wider ,side to side at least, to support that reed. I think it's silly to assume that a plate that supports a soprano reed, for example, can adequately support a tenor or baritone saxophone reed. Just my two cents worth.....
 

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Disclaimer: this post is related to the Durga MP that I own. I have not played enough other TW models to have an educated opinion. I bought my Durga directly from the company. They took the information they needed from me--my regular MP choices; issues with my horn using the bari pieces I had; my playing deets; etc--and then made a 8* for me.

I have been using a Durga 3 on my bari for a number of years now. Best MP ever for my low A Couf!

For people here who make comments like: "TW doesn't stand behind his products", etc. that has not been my experience. Period. Full stop.

As a matter of fact, even reading over Lisa's problems with her lig on the Durga 4, TW stepped up there. So I'm not sure what people are on about.

People may not like their ligs. Fair enough. It took me a bit of time to get used to the one on my Durga. The cap I use on mine with a reed on is an extra Rovner one I had kicking around. Without a reed, the little blue MP tip saver works really well. For me the trick is to remember to keep track of 2 things (cap and tip saver) and not just a MP cap. ;) But that's on me. :LOL:

From what I have personally seen of the company's products, and what I have learned from their GM, a great deal of R&D goes into all their products. However, to paraphrase someone here: Not all ligs work for everyone, and no matter what kind of lig comes with a MP, there will always be someone that is unhappy.

For me, the Durga--along with its original lig--was the answer. YMMVALW.
 

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I really like the Liberty lig that came with my Ambika 3 and Gaia 4 metal mpcs. I actually find it very convenient and hassle free, so much so that I wish all mpcs ship with a similarly suitable lig (though I understand some might opt to use a different one). I have no problem taking the Liberty lig off or adjusting its placement using the provided tool.

I use the TW Reed Replacer on all my mpcs for storing/placing them with their corresponding lig on a mpc stand, and the recently introduced TW Reed Keeper works and snugs really well (though the Keeper needs to be purchased separately).
 

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I got these rubber mouthpiece tip caps on Amazon that work great on any mouthpiece including my Theo Wanne Shiva and Durga with the built in ligature as well as the Wanne DATA with a Silverstein ligature. They're only about an inch long and very inexpensive. (They came standard on an Arnold Montgomery Mpc I purchased recently.) I tried to upload and image but it would not upload for some reason. Theo should just include these with his mouthpieces.
 

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I’ve always generally preferred Theo’s rubber pieces over his metal for tenor.
But those enlightened things are just rubbish on the pieces they’re designed for.
However I still use them on a couple of baritone pieces I have for which teary are a much better fit.
I no longer have any Wanne pieces apart from a metal Gaia 10 that while I don’t play it often, I do enjoy it when I do.
 

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"......Blue Loctite as recommended........ "

Where and who suggested/recommended this?
I've removed mine and changed the position many times, I doubt it will bend much if at all. The biggest concern I had was losing the hex screws. I did buy some blue locktite as recommended to keep them secure while playing. They come with a bit on them but I fiddled with my lig quite a bit so they needed more to secure them. I wouldn't worry about the lig bending.
When i removed mine, well more so it fell off. the arms of the lig are wider than the mouthpiece now so how can i replace it back onto the mouthpiece?? I have all the screws and Blue Locktite. But the arms of the lig are wider and i cant bend the arms back in?
 
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