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Does anyone know what the difference between a Tenor Reference 54 and a Tenor Reference 34 is? What about these two compared to a mark VI?
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they wanted to make it sound similar with modern ergo's at least that's the idea, so it kinda obvious that the ergonomics are different:')Hi Luke. I think you mean Reference 36 and Reference 54.
The 36 supposedly is celebrating the first year of the Balanced Action and the 54 the first year of the iconic Mark VI.
Since many have begged Selmer to make the VI again they came up with a marketing plan to " Refer " back to those models.
I've never heard a VI owner say that the Reference 54 reminds them of a VI.
I've played many VI's and at least one Balanced Action and the Reference 36 was nothing like either.
I have yet to play a Reference 54 so I can't comment on them but I have played more than one 36.
And as I said before the 36 is nothing like a Balanced Action. It is heavier and stiffer keys and the ergonomics are not similar but were actually closer to a Serie II.
Well the reason I mentioned the ergonomics is because one of the main attractions to the VI by players I know are the ergonomics.they wanted to make it sound similar with modern ergo's at least that's the idea, so it kinda obvious that the ergonomics are different:')
Are you saying that the Ref 54 ergos are similar to the Mk VI???Hi Luke. I think you mean Reference 36 and Reference 54.
The 36 supposedly is celebrating the first year of the Balanced Action and the 54 the first year of the iconic Mark VI.
Since many have begged Selmer to make the VI again they came up with a marketing plan to " Refer " back to those models.
I've never heard a VI owner say that the Reference 54 reminds them of a VI.
I've played many VI's and at least one Balanced Action and the Reference 36 was nothing like either.
I have yet to play a Reference 54 so I can't comment on them but I have played more than one 36.
And as I said before the 36 is nothing like a Balanced Action. It is heavier and stiffer keys and the ergonomics are not similar but were actually closer to a Serie II.
No I'm saying the opposite.Are you saying that the Ref 54 ergos are similar to the Mk VI???
I've played several of both and consider the 54 as just another modern horn. With work, the Ref 36 at least has a sound that is suggestive of something different from the rest of the modern pack. The action is easily adjusted - a Ref 36 was my main tenor for many years (I also played a BA for mny years before that).
Well, as a long time owner of both a Ref 54 tenor and two MKVI's, and having also owned two SA 80 II's in the past as well as having played a whole bunch of other Selmer tenors including many MKVI's, Serie III's, a coulpe of Ref 36's and a MKVII, I will say that the Ref 54 is the most MKVI like horn Selmer have produced since they stopped producing the 6. No, the ergonomics are not similar, but still more similar than any of the other previously mentioned horns (except the 36 which is virtually the same as the 54 - individual setup notwithstanding), and no, it doesn't sound like a 6, but again, it's still more similar than the other modern Selmers. This is my non negotiable humble opinion.!I've never heard a MarkVI owner say the 54 is anything like the VI.
Exactly.So what I understand from your experience is that a Reference 54 is RELATIVELY more like a VI than any other Selmer.
In all fairness you said " NO, the ergonomics are not similar " and " it doesn't sound like a 6 ".
A mark VI costs almost twice as muchFor me, I liked the response and tonal "color" of the Ref 36 over the Ref 54. To me, neither one of them were even close to my Mark VI's....(especially the 54). I ended up getting a Ref 36 tenor and ended up recording my most recent CD with it. However, since then, I've found a 1957 Mark VI tenor that blows it away. The ergos, to me, are not anywhere close to being like a good VI or a good BA. They are "good modern saxophones" in my opinion.....but they are NOTHING like a good BA or VI.
is this a problem of all modern saxes, which are produced in big quantitys? they only get better if you put a vintage or handmade neck on.Didnt like the 54. Sounded like a stuffed up modern horn. The 36 was uninspiring and two dimensional in comparison to a good VI and a couple of other vintage horns.
thank you for the info. I think I'm going to wait until they translate the site into English ... or until I learn some decent Deutschsorry- ALL is too much- i thought quite different of a few saxes at the last music fair: http://www.hd-saxophone.de/index.php - Harald Dallhammer handfinished and they're quite reasonable priced, as well a couple of small producers, which are higher priced than the Selmer '54 or '36 horns, when they're also trying to reproduce the Mark VI or the SBA sound. I still found with changing to a good handmade neck and mouthpiece the lack of character and dept in the sound seemed to become considerably less with most modern horns- not to beat all Mark VI, but maybe more than half, as there are big differences in sound during the long production run of the MarkVI (i tryed up to now about 50 tenors and the best one i found wasn't a 5 digit horn- the owner wont part with it) ... anyway even the worse Mark VI are in a price range, where i would consider buying a good second hand sax to use the body (eg SA80 II) and putting on a handmade neck ( eg http://schuchtsaxtechnology.com/Produkte/S-Bogen/T-Bogen/TN1/TN2/tsb.html ) which trys to reproduce the Mark VI sound.
Just use google translate.thank you for the info. I think I'm going to wait until they translate the site into English ... or until I learn some decent Deutsch![]()
I'll give that a try, thanks, but usually it produces very strange translations...Just use google translate.