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Tell us the story of how you first learned about and then first played a Keilwerth saxophone.

For me I was in high school. It was my sophomore year, so fall of 1995. I was living in Stillwater, Oklahoma and playing in the high school band. My only instrument at the time was my Yamaha YAS-23 alto, and I had just started to double on tenor and was playing a school owned King Super 20 (non silver sonic).

I had seen the cool looking black saxophone probably first by seeing Branford Marsalis on The Tonight Show a couple of years earlier, but didn't know much about saxophones at that time and didn't yet know the name Keilwerth.

When we went on our all-state audition trip in December of 1995, as a school, those of us who made it to the final round of auditions, we would go out to eat the night before the auditions and then hang out at a local mall in Oklahoma City. While perusing a music store at the mall, I happened across a CD of a saxophone player named Ron Holloway. Yeah, it was this one:



I had seen Branford play that same saxophone on The Tonight Show. And then later I had seen them advertised in the big Woodwind and Brasswind catalogs, right next to the Guardalas that looked similar. And I knew Ron Holloway's name and sound because I had Dizzy Gillespie's A Night in Tunisia album from 1991 which featured Ron Holloway. And there it was right in the liner notes: "Ron plays the Keilwerth SX90R tenor saxophone". That CD went home with me, and I fell in love with Ron's playing and the sound of the Keilwerth and Lawton combination. And from there the quest to play one of these fabled saxophones started.

My band director was a saxophone player and played a Selmer Mark VI alto. I asked him if he knew anything about Keilwerth Saxophones. He said, "Oh yeah, that's what Branford Marsalis plays on The Tonight Show. Not bad saxophones, but you should really try to find a used Mark VI, blah, blah, blah..." I had already played his Mark VI a number of times, as well as the Mark VI of my saxophone teacher in 10th grade. I wasn't impressed and tuned out everything he said after that.

This was well before we had the internet in my house. Somehow I managed to find out that there were two music shops in Oklahoma City that had both Keilwerth and Guardala saxophones in stock. One of which was Larsen Music which was about 90 minutes away from us. I coerced one of my parents, probably my mom, to take me to Larsen Music so I could paly the saxophones there. I took my Selmer C* and Meyer 6M and I played my first black nickel SX-90R alto saxophone. I was in love. The feel and and the sound were something from my dreams. I also played the black Guardala. The salesman asked me if I wanted to try one of the Selmers and I just said no, I'm pretty much only interested in the Keilwerths. Sadly, the price was way out of range for my family at the time. So I spent the rest of my high school career playing my Yamaha 23 and my first year of college as a performance major. It would be more than three more years before I finally purchased my first Keilwerth alto. But that's another story.
 

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I didn't know it was Keilwerth at the time, but I worked in the repair shop at a music store in the 70's and spent several hours with some guy named Herb Couf as he showed me all the features and advantages to his new line of horns that the store was about to carry. I loved the way it played - it had the big sound I loved in a Conn but with really nice action.
 

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1982 was looking for my 1st tenor.
Went all over SoCal looking at new and used.
Should have bought an immaculate silver MK6 in Hollywood, but didn't.
Went to Van Nuys to the Sax Shop and tried the Armstrongs that Manny had which turned out to be Coufs/Keilworths.
They had 2 models and since I wasn't a tenor player I bought the standard not deluxe.
Even then I could tell that it was darker sounding than many other instruments I had tried.
I think it was around $1,200.00.
I played it until I bought a Buescher 156 about 17 years ago.
I don't think I'll ever sell it.
 

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In 1995 I finally made the decision to start learning tenor sax. Because my all time hero Frank Deruytter played Keilwerth at that time in his carrier, I also had to go the Keilwerth route.
The ST-90 student model was my first one (not that great). But then I got the same one as he played (SX90r black) which was probably one of the best tenors I have ever played.
 

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I would like to think that many a good tale will be shared here and wish I had one myself. I simply cannot recall where and or why my interest in Keilwerth saxophones was established. I have always had a leaning towards vintage horns and my first was a Buescher True-Tone alto. I know I had long desired a Keilwerth and oddly enough ended up with an MKX alto - bought from it's owner who had developed lung issues. I had previously acquired a 1951 Amati Toneking alto and since a 1952 Amati Toneking tenor. I am always drawn to vintage Keilwerth saxophones but - as far as contemporary horns go - the SX90R Shadow is the limit of my lusting. Many here will be familiar of many posts where I have mentioned a young local musician of whom I have been supportive. When she was seeking her first "decent" saxophone she discarded those from Selmer / Yamaha / Yanagisawa and chose for herself - a Keilwerth. Having since found herself seduced by vintage saxophones she now plays a G.H.Huller - but - having borrowed the MKX - its gonna' be a struggle to pry it from her hands ;-)
 

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My GF at the time had always wanted to play an instrument (we were in our early 40's then). I asked her if she could narrow it down to 2, which would they be ? She said "sax or violin".

Being intimately familiar with what a poorly-played violin sounds like, and knowing a slew of sax players in town who taught...I jumped on eFlay looking for a Tenor in my price range (which wasn't much). Came down to 2 - a 50's King Cleve and a JK New King stencil with the plexi guards (I am not sure it was identified as a JK, but rather just by it's stencil name...but I liked the guards).
Won the JK.

Received the JK and while she was very happy with it, it also became apparent to me (I didn't play sax then) the horn didn't play right. Which in retrospect was because the budget was unrealistic, even though the seller conned me into believing it played up and down (he even posted a vid).
So after trips to 4 techs, the first 3 telling me it needed an overhaul (quotes ranging from $800-1200), the 4th actually admitting he could get it speaking decently for $300, but it would need further servicing within around 4-6 months....she had her horn in good shape, and my curiosity was piqued.

And thus was borne the impetus for my extending myself into sax refurbing, beyond percussion and brass....So not only was it the first JK I had experienced, it was the horn which inspired me to a) play sax and b) repair sax.

We are not together any longer, but she still plays that horn, and it's a damn good horn.
 

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I had started playing sax again after about 25 years and picked up a decent student quality horn to do so but when moving to where I now live [Canada] in 2001 decided that I wanted to get serious about playing jazz and getting together in bands and such. Started researching instruments, wanted something that was vintage sounding but with modern ergonomics. Ended up settling on a Keilwerth alto, SX90R, and there was one shop here that carried them. When I checked their prices I realized that they were much more expensive than I figured I wanted to pay but did an internet search as well as getting info from this site - yes, before it was what it is today - and found that I could get the alto that I wanted for significantly less overseas. I ordered mine from the UK. Was delighted with it and still have it. That's the short version.
 

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I first tried a Keilwerth alto and tenor at USA Horns in the early 2000's. I recall it made me want to start marching. Very Conn-like, I suppose I felt at the time. But as for Ron Holloway, I told a story in the past on the site when someone mentioned he was playing a Silver 10M these days:

I met him years ago when we had a tech in common and he was playing a Keilwerth tenor. I recall after a Dixieland show in town, a couple of us got to sit in with him after our show in the downstairs pub of the club. I thought I played a pretty darn good solo on a blues tune and then Ron took me to school big time. It was incredibly humbling, but a fantastic (and needed) experience for me. I was playing on a very cherry silver 10M back then and I remember opining that Conn saxophones were the inspiration for Keilwerth. Well, whether true or not, I do know Ron really dug my silver 10M. So I'm going out on a limb and taking credit for the choice! :lol:
 

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But as for Ron Holloway, I told a story in the past on the site when someone mentioned he was playing a Silver 10M these days:
Last time I talked to Ron, he was playing one of Steve Goodson's Voodoo Rex tenors, and still his trusty Lawton mouthpieces. But that was several years ago now. I think he's playing Theo Wanne mouthpieces now.
 

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In 1979, I traded a Beuscher tenor sax for a "better horn." I went to the Woodwind, (as it was known at that time) and Dennis Bamber sold me a Couf tenor. the action was beautiful but played way flat in the palm keys. He switched out the neck with a Selmer, saying it would take too long for Couf to fix their issue. As a side note, he told me that the Beuscher was a really nice horn, and he sold it within a few weeks. I was young and had no appreciation for vintage saxes.
 

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My first experience with Keilwerth: Just bought a used alto case which I am delighted with. It's a J. K. which may have been part of a new J.K. purchase. Canvas, molded, (?) shape, very plush lining, quite heavy. It's gonna be my restored Beuscher carry. Long ago, I looked but didn't buy, a J.K. alto student model.
 

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First tried one at Dave Hoskin's shop Junkdude about a decade ago. It was actually a Couf Superba I.

It hit me hard right away, I couldn't trade my Martin Committee III to him fast enough! I still play that horn to this day. I'd like to look at trading my King Zephyr alto for a matching alto to go with that tenor!
 

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First tried one at Dave Hoskin's shop Junkdude about a decade ago. It was actually a Couf Superba I.

It hit me hard right away, I couldn't trade my Martin Committee III to him fast enough! I still play that horn to this day. I'd like to look at trading my King Zephyr alto for a matching alto to go with that tenor!
Don't trade it - just get another alto!
 

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Don't trade it - just get another alto!
I already have over 50 horns at home, from piccolo to my tubas (yes, that is plural as well, ha!) I gig just as much on brass from lead trumpet to tuba as I do on saxophone in different bands.

As much as I love sax, which was my first instrument and still definitely my primary horn... I like not being single as well. I will be perfectly happy to trade and keep that part of my life happy as well;)
 

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Flute couldn't contain all the growly, bendy, roaring tones I wanted to express, so I searched for a more aggressive woodwind. Tried clarinet, hated it. Rented an alto sax & found my true voice as a performer. Asked my flute guru (George Koregelos, House of Woodwinds, Oakland, California) to recommend a pro-level sax. He dissed Selmer Mark VII, praised Couf Superba. The Superba 2 he sold me in 1977 is the only alto sax I've ever owned; a powerful, tenor-like presence in the studio & on tour. With a new Keilwerth neck, it plays bold & sassy.

[Update, 6 January 2022:] Since writing the above, I've acquired a pre-owned c. 2000 Keilwerth SX90 alto sax which is now my main horn. It handles & blows much like my old Couf, yet with improved design & placement of keywork, & more efficiently engineered mechanisms.
 

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I went to the houseboat of a local SOTW member to try a Selmer Omega (or 164?) tenor she had for sale that interested me. I tried it, and it was okay, but didn't really excite me. She said she also had a Bundy Special (Keilwerth stencil) I could try. I liked it and bought it, later sold it, later regretted selling it and bought another one (and a New King).
 

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My first JK (copy) was my first student horn a Couf Royalist II, made in Elkhardt, USA in 1974.
I took lessons at this local store, and when I was looking at a Pro horn the shop owner showed me Couf Superba 1s and 2s.
My private teacher had a black gold Superba 1 alto - a wonderful playing horn. sweet. It was a special custom finish.
Our school used loaner Superbas - tenors and baris (graduated in 84).
I had to borrow a soprano once for jazz band and the owner dude at the music store let me borrow a Superba sop as he knew my band director well. We got a Bari Superba 1 from the the store for when I was asked to play bari in the State Honors band; went back afterwards.

But my first pro horn was a Selmer mk VII - still have it, then an alto Superba 1 - still have that too (sold it a couple decades ago to an SOTWer but was able to buy it back about 12 years ago). I have a tenor VII and Superba 1s now too. The university I went to later on D. Sinta hated the VIIs .. but liked the Superbas. lol

When I bought my first clarinet in 1978 the owner guy asked me how much money I had and came out with a Normandy 4, which I still have today.

In High School, one day after a music lesson I walked out of the lesson area and talked briefly to the owner and this funky looking guy checking out a new Superba tenor who really knew how to play. I mean, he really knew how to play.

Unfortunately, back then I was a student and not really following the jazz music scene. I never really grasped until after 1989 who those people I dealt and talked to were. The store owner was Herb Couf and that funky looking dude that one time was Grover .... yeah, that one.
Mr Couf retired and sold the store to the employees in 1989.
I became a Grover Washington Jr fan after that and studied his techniques.
 
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