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So I’ve come across a strange Otto Link STM early Babbitt baritone piece.
It’s marked a 10 tip on top of the shank as is usual with pieces from this period.
However it is clearly way more closed than that.
I don’t have my measuring equipment with me, but visually and judging by how it plays it is more like a 5 tip.
It has a lot of baffle for a link and that baffle is quite high.
The facing is clearly original also.
It plays very well if you like smaller tip openings, with a full quite bright tone (especially for a link STM).
Was it common during this period of production to have such wrongly marked tip openings?
My other pieces from this era all measure true.
And this really does have a lot of baffle.
Here are some pics.
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Looks to me, based upon the size and height of the baffle, like it's been refaced and closed down. I suspect someone bought this, couldn't handle a .130+ tip and closed it down or had someone else do it.
 

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Not necessarily (and probably not at all) meaningful, but the 1 and the 0 in the size engraving seem very different looking, and the 1 seems to be slightly askew (and is a good bit shorter in length than the 0).
 

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Initially I also thought that it must have been closed down, but there is no indication of it in the plating which although a little worn, is still intact.
Also there is too much meat in the tip.
Bite plate is not close to rails (as usually happens in a reface).
I’ll dig out my other EB STM 6 in the morning and see how they look side by side.
 

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I wasn’t able to properly compare facing patterns between my 6* and this piece as the 6* has been refaced.
However in comparing those two EB pieces with a Florida no USA piece, the 10 looks closer to the no USA in dimensions.
Below is a photo of (from left to right) 6* (EB).
10 (EB). and 7 no USA Florida.
The body of the 6* is noticeably shorter than the 10.
But the body of the 10 is the same length as the no USA.
The 6* also has a longer shank than the 10.
The 3rd photo shows a modern STM on far right for comparison.
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Another interesting dimension is the width of the Otto link top ridge is the same on both the 10 (EB) and the 7 no USA but thicker on the 6* (EB) and modern STM’s.
 

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Quick question - Don't all those Mpcs say U.S.A?

Seeing it made me think something wasn't quite right. Since it is stamped USA, wouldnt it be a Florida - USA model, vs the No USA which doesn't have the stamp (I have one of these)?
 

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Quick question - Don't all those Mpcs say U.S.A?

Seeing it made me think something wasn't quite right. Since it is stamped USA, wouldnt it be a Florida - USA model, vs the No USA which doesn't have the stamp (I have one of these)?
You’re right my bad.
I actually photographed my Florida USA 6 rather than my no USA 7.
 

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You’re right my bad.
I actually photographed my Florida USA 6 rather than my no USA 7.
ooh makes sense! Also can see the 6 stamp a bit now that you mention it! It really is too bad about that 10 piece... although looks like a good candidate for a reface. But whats going on with the baffle/chamber?
 

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The baffle is quite high and long.
Chamber is big like the Earlier Florida pieces.
Looks better in person though.
Plays great as it is, but a little too closed for me.
I’d be hesitant to get it opened due to how well it plays.
 

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What did the seller say?
Have you asked for a return?
I think that you are eligible to return the item.
I don't think that the seller intended to fool you but the mouthpiece is nevertheless what you expected.
 

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What did the seller say?
Have you asked for a return?
I think that you are eligible to return the item.
I don't think that the seller intended to fool you but the mouthpiece is nevertheless what you expected.
I messaged the seller and he was unaware of the differences in tip openings and very apologetic.
I asked for a partial refund with a view to having the piece opened up.
He happily agreed.
 

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I messaged the seller and he was unaware of the differences in tip openings and very apologetic.
I asked for a partial refund with a view to having the piece opened up.
He happily agreed.

That's great news. Seems like a really nice person to deal with. I'm glad to hear this is ending well after all.
We want pictures and an update after the reface :)
 
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