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Does anyone know IF and WHEN SPECIAL ORDERS are placed , are they placed ahead of in progress production ? As in , if I ordered a tenor that usually comes with plastic resonators and I ask for metal resonators , do they just assign an already being made tenor the request as they build it . Or do they build the horn from start to finish as though it's the last one starting on the assembly line ? Thanks
 

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It would depend on what brand you are talking about and I am guessing how much money you have. I think it would be cheaper and easier to purchase a horn you like and then have a tech do it something like putting in different resonators.
 

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It would depend on what brand you are talking about and I am guessing how much money you have. I think it would be cheaper and easier to purchase a horn you like and then have a tech do it something like putting in different resonators.
Yanagisawa , Yamaha , Keilwerth and or Selmer .
 

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Does anyone know IF and WHEN SPECIAL ORDERS are placed , are they placed ahead of in progress production ? As in , if I ordered a tenor that usually comes with plastic resonators and I ask for metal resonators , do they just assign an already being made tenor the request as they build it . Or do they build the horn from start to finish as though it's the last one starting on the assembly line ? Thanks
Or it could be none of the above. Depending on the factory, custom orders may go through Artist Relations, and have a different set of hands working on it.

I don’t understand why you would do this. There are things other than resonators that have a far great impact on the tone and response of a horn.
 

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Or it could be none of the above. Depending on the factory, custom orders may go through Artist Relations, and have a different set of hands working on it.

I don’t understand why you would do this. There are things other than resonators that have a far great impact on the tone and response of a horn.
It was merely a question . Also regarding the Yanagisawa brand , The bronze Elite Tenor model TWO20 has metal tone boosters installed . Also the bronze Baritones , both Elite BWO20 and Pro BWO2 have metal tone boosters installed . I was wondering why didn't the Pro model TWO2 have them , seeing as they share the same body tube ? So my question is/was if one was to order the bronze Pro model TWO2 , which is body to post construction , and wanted metal tone boosters would that order leap frog current production or merely be the newest horn being made with the special order additions . Sidebar : Being that said horn would be factory unlacquered , I would rather it come from the factory with metal tone boosters as opposed to doing it aftermarket because of it being a new unlacquered horn .
 

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It would depend on what brand you are talking about and I am guessing how much money you have. I think it would be cheaper and easier to purchase a horn you like and then have a tech do it something like putting in different resonators.
Would you buy a new car with an upgraded audio system that was installed at the factory , or would you order the basic audio and then take your vehicle to a place and sit there and watch them pull apart a brand new car ? I think most people would not want a brand car torn apart to upgrade the audio when it could be done ( maybe at a higher price than worth , yes ) at the factory . So too with a new horn , if the factory could do it , why not let them do it ?
 

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For Yanigisawa, I think they go for metal resos in lieu of plastic in their bronze saxes because they play warmer.

I am aware there is a line of thought that instrument materials make no difference and that tube dimensions are the only real thing that impacts sound. But there you go.

When I was overhauling a Conn New Wonder II soprano last year I asked for play metal resos, but was steered to plastic by a tech who was concerned to find the right tonal balance. As he is good mates with Ted Klum - who is a bit of a Conn expert apparently - he called him for advice, who felt metal resos would be too much on a Conn. so I ended up with plastic resos. The soprano plays beautifully.

I am aware there is a line of thought that resonator material makes no difference and that only size matters. Who knew?! But there you go.
 

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For Yanigisawa, I think they go for metal resos in lieu of plastic in their bronze saxes because they play warmer.

I am aware there is a line of thought that instrument materials make no difference and that tube dimensions are the only real thing that impacts sound. But there you go.

When I was overhauling a Conn New Wonder II soprano last year I asked for play metal resos, but was steered to plastic by a tech who was concerned to find the right tonal balance. As he is good mates with Ted Klum - who is a bit of a Conn expert apparently - he called him for advice, who felt metal resos would be too much on a Conn. so I ended up with plastic resos. The soprano plays beautifully.

I am aware there is a line of thought that resonator material makes no difference and that only size matters. Who knew?! But there you go.
I totally understand . My only question is/was why did Yanagisawa use metal boosters on both bronze bari models and with their bronze Elite model Tenor TWO20 BUT they didn't use them in the Pro model TWO2 ? I understand the TWO2 has post to body construction but it's basically the same horn , so why did they go plastic on the lesser tenor but not on the lesser bari ? I was not going to start a MATERIAL OF RESONATORS war , I was merely questioning why ?
 

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When I placed the order for my Keilwerth Soprano, I placed it as a special order because I wanted a discontinued finish, clear-nickel, which was only available as a special order. It got put in the que along with the other regular orders. Since Keilwerth only produces a few per month for the whole world wide market and each horn is sold when it is ordered they don't bump the que just for special orders. It only took me 13 months to get it (really it took about 11 months to come in, but I was on tour and couldn't pick it up right away.)
 

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I would suggest that you, the OP, make your request / query via a licensed reseller. They should quickly have your question answered.
 

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Possibly metal resonators on the TWO-20 have no acoustic merit but create the impression of greater value for consumers and thus help support the higher price or generate greater sales. I've played a TWO-20 for the past year and for me it is superior to the -2UL, but not because of resonators.
I suggest you contact Mathew Aaron at saxforte.com to discuss your special order request. He has the best advertised prices and a direct line to Conn-Selmer US distributor and thus to Yanagisawa. I've found that he is willing to discuss horns with you at length. Dave Kessler is also a great choice for information but probably harder to reach.
 

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When I placed the order for my Keilwerth Soprano, I placed it as a special order because I wanted a discontinued finish, clear-nickel, which was only available as a special order. It got put in the que along with the other regular orders. Since Keilwerth only produces a few per month for the whole world wide market and each horn is sold when it is ordered they don't bump the que just for special orders. It only took me 13 months to get it (really it took about 11 months to come in, but I was on tour and couldn't pick it up right away.)
Thank you ! Your response/reply was much appreciated . (y)
 

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Possibly metal resonators on the TWO-20 have no acoustic merit but create the impression of greater value for consumers and thus help support the higher price or generate greater sales. I've played a TWO-20 for the past year and for me it is superior to the -2UL, but not because of resonators.
I suggest you contact Mathew Aaron at saxforte.com to discuss your special order request. He has the best advertised prices and a direct line to Conn-Selmer US distributor and thus to Yanagisawa. I've found that he is willing to discuss horns with you at length. Dave Kessler is also a great choice for information but probably harder to reach.
Thanks for the response/reply ! I have purchased Selmer's from Saxforte in years past and had an issue with a horn with acid bleed . His response was he just grabs a horn , boxes it up and ships . I think a $3,500 Serie III alto should be free of acid bleed , let alone if not , he should have dropped the price . I sent a friend to him as well and his tenor was received with a touch of acid bleed as well . Furthermore his prices are much higher than overseas sellers , that I can guarantee you . As far as the TWO20 being superior to the TWO2 , that's subjective to each individual so I won't go into that rabbit hole . Back to my MAIN reason for the question : If the TWO20 , BWO20 and BWO2 which are all bronze , have metal tone boosters , why did they not include them on the TWO2 ? That's my ONLY wonder . PERIODT
 

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I would suggest that you, the OP, make your request / query via a licensed reseller. They should quickly have your question answered.
I did try that . LOL . That is why I asked the forum . The answer from Yanagisawa Uk etc was a ramble about nothing and ended with a thank you .
 

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Does anyone know IF and WHEN SPECIAL ORDERS are placed , are they placed ahead of in progress production?
If I was in charge of production, all special orders would either go through the regular line in batches (in which case you'd have to wait), or be sent through a secondary facility (which would exist only if there was sufficient demand).

None of us here are likely to be able to tell you what they do at the place you're buying from. And other than maybe having to wait, I don't know why you should care.
 

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I did try that . LOL . That is why I asked the forum . The answer from Yanagisawa Uk etc was a ramble about nothing and ended with a thank you .
But an answer from forum experience will just be that one experience - it may have no relation to your own transaction.

I think an answer from Yanagisaw is not from a reseller, I agree with Hassles unless you are in a very special position, you will need to get the info from a reseller, not the distributor. Your contract under "Sale of Goods" has to be with a retailer, not a wholesaler or manufacturer. (Yes, I had misinterpreted your original question - reading it as ordering direct from the factory)

 

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But an answer from forum experience will just be that one experience - it may have no relation to your own transaction.

I think an answer from Yanagisaw is not from a reseller, I agree with Hassles unless you are in a very special position, you will need to get the info from a reseller, not the distributor. Your contract under "Sale of Goods" has to be with a retailer, not a wholesaler or manufacturer. (Yes, I had misinterpreted your original question - reading it as ordering direct from the factory)

Thanks , I tried every Yanagisawa email I could find and the UK version was the only one that responded . Oh well , some things in life can not be explained therefore one should accept that which is . The answer to my question : Why didn't Yanagisawa install metal tone boosters in the TWO2 ? Answer : BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T . . . now I'll move on 🤷‍♂️
 

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Thanks , I tried every Yanagisawa email I could find and the UK version was the only one that responded . Oh well , some things in life can not be explained therefore one should accept that which is . The answer to my question : Why didn't Yanagisawa install metal tone boosters in the TWO2 ? Answer : BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T . . . now I'll move on 🤷‍♂️
That was my point, a Yanagisawa communication is not what you need in this case, you need a retail outlet to discuss special orders (or any order)
 
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