[texasnative]

I've been staring at Oleo in the omnibook (page 95). The head seems wrong to me. Either Sonny played it differently or every other real book I've ever owned is wrong. There's at least one error in the melody there. I'd have to slow it down, but it struck me immediately when playing it. My first two notes are C and G... pretty sure it's supposed to be C and A... which makes is the 6.... not G... (the 5th)...

Also measure 4 is wrong. Rhythms aside... the notes are wrong. They sound wrong to me and disagree with everything else I have. Such an easy thing... strange it would be wrong.

Anyone else notice this? Really interested if anyone noticed. okay! Back to practicing.

 

[texasnative]

Gonna reply to my own post here. I confirmed with 3 other real books... the melody as written on Page 95 of the Sonny Rollins Omnibook is inconsistent. I'm also like 99.9999% it's not what he plays in the recording. I'm pretty sure it's a misprint.

Heads up for anyone who buys the book! Aaaaaaaand back to practicing...

 

[Nefertiti]

I've been staring at Oleo in the omnibook (page 95). The head seems wrong to me. Either Sonny played it differently or every other real book I've ever owned is wrong. There's at least one error in the melody there. I'd have to slow it down, but it struck me immediately when playing it. My first two notes are C and G... pretty sure it's supposed to be C and A... which makes is the 6.... not G... (the 5th)...

Also measure 4 is wrong. Rhythms aside... the notes are wrong. They sound wrong to me and disagree with everything else I have. Such an easy thing... strange it would be wrong.

Anyone else notice this? Really interested if anyone noticed. okay! Back to practicing.

Hi, I just checked the recording and the notes are right in the transcription. It's from the recording Bag' Groove by Miles Davis. It's hard to hear at full speed but if you slow it down it is easy to hear. Miles and Sonny play a G as their second note. Measure 4 is correct with CGAB also. You want to check these things with the recordings and not assume that the Real Books are correct as many times there are mistakes in the Real Book or the song was transcribed from a different recording. Steve

 

[texasnative]

Hi, I just checked the recording and the notes are right in the transcription. It's from the recording Bag' Groove by Miles Davis. It's hard to hear at full speed but if you slow it down it is easy to hear. Miles and Sonny play a G as their second note. Measure 4 is correct with CGAB also. You want to check these things with the recordings and not assume that the Real Books are correct as many times there are mistakes in the Real Book or the song was transcribed from a different recording. Steve

Thanks! Yeah, I was listening to the recording while playing. There's a great Spotify playlist of all these recordings. Makes it easier. Maybe I just need to slow it down? Interesting. I think I've been playing it the other way for years now. I've got 3 different Real / Fake books, and they all match! hah!

Thanks again! I appreciate you checking it out...

 

[hakukani]

Funny thing is that the head to Oleo in the Coltrane Omnibook is A and not G. Both are recordings with miles, four years apart.

 

[Nefertiti]

This guy did a transcription also and he has the normal version of the head but I'm wondering if he actually transcribed the head or just assumed that that is what it was.

It's tricky because a lot of those notes are ghost notes but it sound like the Omnibook got it right to me........

 

[JL]

It's tricky because a lot of those notes are ghost notes....

+1. And they go by pretty fast. Also, that second note sounds fine whether or not it's an A or G (tenor key). Of course if you're doubling up on the head with another player you both need to play the same note. I've seen it both ways (C to G and C to A) in various fake books, so I suspect it depends on what the transcriber thought they were hearing.

p.s. Just listened to the Miles with Sonny Rollins version and it sure sounds like C to A (concert Bb to G) to me. I didn't slow it down, though and it goes by fast. Still the 'A' (1 down to 6--a minor 3rd) sounds more "correct" to my ear. I could be wrong, though...

p.p.s. I'm certain Steve is a far better transcriber than I, and he slowed it down, so he's probably right. Maybe my ear is just off on this or something. I'll have to listen to it some more and really concentrate.

I listened again, then played along with it and still can't tell for certain. FWIW, when I play those first two notes at the speed that they are played on the various Miles Davis versions, I really can't hear much of a difference between using the A or the G (tenor key), even listening to myself while playing it. If play it a bit slower, there is a definite difference (after all they are not the same note!). But up to speed I think you could play either note.