Ditto!
It's not any of this, it's the intention. It's not a set number of time or level of players or the money, but I do believe that even Beethoven, at one point put in some serious work when it came to working on his concept. What bothers me is people that treat it like it's just another club in their golf bag, it's not, it's a completely different bag. It doesn't sound like much, but so many people casually labling themselves as arangers, it kind of "dumbs down" the art, it just kind of says that anyone with half a brain and a pencil can call themselves an "arranger."DukeCity said:A couple of thoughts came to me as I read your "rant":
Is it the number? How many charts does someone have to write before they'll be a composer/arranger in your opinion?
Is it the time? How many hours should it take to write an arrangement for you to be satisfied with their work.
Is it the effort. Does composing or arranging have to involve "hard" work, and "slaving" and "racking your brain" to have value? (accounts of Mozart imply it was pretty easy fo for him; Beethoven's sketchbooks tell a different story about him)
Is it the level of players? Someone who writes a chart for their rehearsal band isn't really an arranger; but is it different if that band plays every Monday night at the Village Vanguard?
Is it the money? Using your mouthpiece refacing example, if people start paying you to drag their mouthpieces across some sandpaper, does that make a difference?
But the first thought that came to me is: why does it bug you so much? What possible difference does it make how someone else describes himself?
HAHAHA Sorry you reminded me of HOUSE on TV. I kinda heard him saying that while I was reading it.Carl H. said:Lets see, 4 years of theory, 2 years of counterpoint, several quartets are playing my arrangements, my arrangements have been performed by symphony orchestras, I've done transcriptions which are used by a member of the R&R hall of fame when he goes on the road.
I don't consider myself an arranger or composer. I just do what I get asked to do from time to time. Mostly this is performing, but occasionally a special request comes up and I do an arrangement, I charge stupid amounts of money if I don't want to do it.
Have I dumbed down the art? (Well there was this guy from Canada, but he was kind of dense before I even met him ...) I will sell out for MONEY, but I enjoy eating regularly too.
I keep on meaning to catch that show. The guy that plays House has been very good in everything I've ever seen him in. When is it on?Carbs said:HAHAHA Sorry you reminded me of HOUSE on TV. I kinda heard him saying that while I was reading it.
I wouldn't say that you apply to my criteria at all. Because you don't label ourself as a composer or arranger.Carl H. said:Lets see, 4 years of theory, 2 years of counterpoint, several quartets are playing my arrangements, my arrangements have been performed by symphony orchestras, I've done transcriptions which are used by a member of the R&R hall of fame when he goes on the road.
I don't consider myself an arranger or composer. I just do what I get asked to do from time to time. Mostly this is performing, but occasionally a special request comes up and I do an arrangement, I charge stupid amounts of money if I don't want to do it.
Have I dumbed down the art? (Well there was this guy from Canada, but he was kind of dense before I even met him ...) I will sell out for MONEY, but I enjoy eating regularly too.
8 PM on Tuesdays. I try not to miss it. And it is on USA after 10 some nights.Carl H. said:I keep on meaning to catch that show. The guy that plays House has been very good in everything I've ever seen him in. When is it on?
That was my point: It came easier for Mozart; much more difficult, painstaking work for Beethoven.saxymanzach said:... but I do believe that even Beethoven, at one point put in some serious work when it came to working on his concept.
I understand what you're saying. I guess I just don't really worry about it. If it's another club in their bag, and they're not very good with that club, then their success will ultimately be limited by their skill level anyway.saxymanzach said:What bothers me is people that treat it like it's just another club in their golf bag, it's not, it's a completely different bag. It doesn't sound like much, but so many people casually labling themselves as arangers, it kind of "dumbs down" the art, it just kind of says that anyone with half a brain and a pencil can call themselves an "arranger."
I do have a couple Slant Sig 7* tenor mpcs I'd like to get opened up a little. I'll send 'em right out to you.saxymanzach said:Oh, and as far as mouthpieces go: anyone who would pay me to drag their mouthpiece accross sandpaper deserves their mouthpiece to be ruined.![]()
Yeah.Selmer's_glu said:...Then, they argue with someone like DukeCity, (who is a college music prof & a pro that toured with Maynard) about reeds & mpcs, etc., and think they know better!
That bugs me, more than the composer/arranger thing.