Sax on the Web Forum banner

1 - 6 of 6 Posts

·
Undistinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
723 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Just to share, I came across Stohrer Music's site which has a page of sound clips on various vintage sop mouthpieces. Quite useful to listen through and think about what kind of soprano sound is closer to the one in your head :

http://www.stohrerwoodwinds.com/html/listen.php


Most of us are also familiar with Steve Neff's excellent clips on saxophone mouthpieces - any other sites out there with similar resources?
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
14,268 Posts
Very interesting . . . to me they all sounded about the same. Oh some were a bit "darker" but after two notes into the runs, they all sounded like a soprano. The one with "large chamber" noted in its description sounded flat to me compared to the others. For me, this demonstration emphasized that maybe we put too much on various mouthpieces and not enough on our chops. DAVE
 

·
Undistinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
723 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
Very interesting . . . to me they all sounded about the same. Oh some were a bit "darker" but after two notes into the runs, they all sounded like a soprano. The one with "large chamber" noted in its description sounded flat to me compared to the others. For me, this demonstration emphasized that maybe we put too much on various mouthpieces and not enough on our chops. DAVE
Hi Dave

Agree with you on all counts. They all sounded similar to my ears too, with a few being slightly different. I start to think large chamber sop piece are probably not right for me, based on what I heard there though. In general, intonation problems were evident in all the clips, so that's something we have to disregard, in getting to the underlying tonality of the pieces. Highly competent demonstrator, but maybe not so much specialised in soprano?
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
14,268 Posts
I'm not sure I know what a "large chamber" really is. Been over this issue before and I'm not convinced that most of us know, either - if it really exists.

I also concluded that most of the pieces demonstrated on those clips were "vintage". I never got on with vintage mouthpieces, yet I play vintage (and modern) horns using currently available mouthpieces. Works fine for me.

I have vintage mouthpieces and have held them alongside modern pieces . . . with the exception of the tip-openings they look the same inside. Frankly, even the tip-opening variations are difficult to spot - I know mainly because of the way they play. Some have a different neck opening (horse-shoe, round, opening larger or smaller, etc.) but their interior volume is the mystery. I suppose I could tape off the window, then fill them with water to the neck opening and measure the volume that way, but I just don't care that much about the chamber-size issue. DAVE
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
328 Posts
Chamber difference is very clear when comparing mouthpieces such as a Buescher/Rascher kind of mouthpiece, with an excavated chamber, to something like a Vandoren Optimum or Selmer S80/S90...
It does really exist.

I do agree with Dave regarding the clips on the Stohrer website. More focus on chops, less focus on mouthpieces!
I would be surprised if the performer tuned before recording the clips. That intonation was crazy!
 

·
Distinguished SOTW Member
Joined
·
14,268 Posts
BPSAX: You may be right but after reading your post, I went over all of the mouthpieces in my boxes (that would be many, but mostly modern with a few vintage pieces) and the differences are slight. While some had larger neck openings or differently shaped neck openings (meaning the entrance to the chamber, not the neck receptacle), and some had a more pronounced baffle (which seemed to reduce the chamber-size somewhat) the overall volume of each chamber was about the same - at least to my eyes.

Yes, I realize that small differences can make a huge overall difference in playability, but to me, the tip-opening seems to be a measurement that has the most effect on how a piece plays for me. Much is made about chamber size, but I'm not convinced that chamber size is a major factor. DAVE
 
1 - 6 of 6 Posts
Top