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I really like Sibelius, but it is behaving in a way I don't understand. Possibly a bug, probably me.

The following is happening on a sax lead sheet (i.e. only one instrument, not a multi part score). I'm using Sibelius 4.

A couple of times when I want to force say 8 bars/measures to be on a single line where it was on two lines, the treble clef from the second line jumps up with its line of music. It then stubbornly sits in the middle of the line and can't be selected for deletion.

Has anyone else seen this and do you know why it has happened and how to get rid of it ?

Thanks in advance

Rhys
 

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Hide would work.

How are you forcing the 8 bars? Are you just pressing "enter" on the final barline or are you using a copy & paste method? Maybe you could simply try reducing the staff size under "Layout --> Document Setup".
 

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Version 4 as I said. Windows XP.

Forcing the 8 bars into one line by selecting them and pressing SHIFT-ALT-M which puts them into a System (single line).

Not sure how I could hide the clef as I can't select it.

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Well, I tried Ctrl-Shift-M and it will condense the entire score if the bars are blank. But there is no clefs. They all disappear. So, you appear to have a glitch. Whenever something doesn't look right, hit Ctrl-Z and undo it. It can save a lot of headaches.

If the clef really bothers you, delete the bar the clef is in by Ctrl-click, (Box – double blue line) then hit delete. Then you can bring a new blank bar bank by clicking the preceding bar (blue box – single line) on the preceding bar/measure and pressing Crtl-Shift-B. This will give you back the bar without the clef. Then just re-input the notes on that one bar.

If you add a clef you can delete it. But if it was already there is part of the score it will not delete.

I agree with the above – use Document set-up, instead of Ctrl-Shift-M. You can also expand the margins and well as reduce the size of the staves.

Hope this helps.
 

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Chris & others,

Thanks for that. It's sorted out now by deleting the bar with the extra clef and then inputting a new one. I think that somehow the problem came about because I had dragged each of the systems to the left to get a smaller margin. Either I didn't align them very well or I confused the software by going too far, before I forced the bars onto a single line.

I do need to learn more about page setup and margins. I still don't understand how Sibelius limits the line spacing. But it is excellent software.

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Rhys:

Another way you can adjust Staves is by gong to House Styles>Engraving Rules. In the left hand column click on Staves. Sibelius only uses 65% of the page in default mode. You can increase the amount of the page Sibelius uses by going to the second section (justification) and changing the 65 to a 100. The spacing will be more in line with an instrumental score, whether that is a lead sheet or full score.

What you are telling Sibelius is that there are no lyrics for the piece and you don’t need that much space between the staves.

Between Engraving Rules and Document Set-up you can do anything. Well, there may be a thing or two you can’t do, but so far it hasn’t been discovered.

Thanks for the heads up on shift-M and Ctrl-shift-M. We are all learning something new.

Don't worry about Document Set-up. You can experiment with Document Set-up and if it doesn't work, just Ctrl-Z out of it and try again.

Ctrl-Z will bring back just about anything, except when you delete the Staves using Instruments and Staves.

Good luck
 
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