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Is it imperative to use metal resonators on Keilworth saxophones when getting a repad? they come with metal resos from the factory. Has anyone used plastic resos on these horns?
You can put whatever resonators on your horn that your heart desires. Ignore the snotty responses that are prevalent on this discussion forum. FWIW, Selmer first put re-usable metal resonators on the Mark VI for the first few years then went to the brown plastic.Is it imperative to use metal resonators on Keilworth saxophones when getting a repad? they come with metal resos from the factory. Has anyone used plastic resos on these horns?
A somewhat questionable bit of advice, as in fact...it is the presence or absence of resos which make any discernible difference, and not whether the resos are plastic or metal or ribbed or domed or flat or have pleasure rings or whatever....The wise thing to do is to use original pads or the closest you can get. Unless, of course, you think you know more about making a saxophone than the manufacturer.
Yup. Same holds true for workaday players comparative testing samples....Dr. Pauline Eveno's study found no significant difference in sound between metal and plastic resos both in acoustic measurements and in experienced player's perception of the sound. Players are free to pick whatever style or material of resos they like by the the look they prefer.
If the result ends up being not acceptable to the client, however....it will not be because of the style of resonators chosen....it will be because something else in the tech's repad work makes the client unhappy.Yeah, I think it's a whatever floats your boat thing, but I'd imagine it's a tough call to make considering the expense of getting the work done/ redone if you don't dig the result...not like trying a new mouthpiece or neck.
This is the first time that I have heard the argument that black Roo pads are inherently brighter. Could you please share some links to those claims?I have a Couf Superba ll with chocolate Roo pads and slightly oversize Tenor Madness domed metal resonaters. I had a Couf Superba l with Black Roo pads and oversize domed metal resonators. Supposedly, the Black Roo pads are the toughest and hence the brightest of the White, Chocolate, or Black.
If the horn ends up sounding better and projecting better, it's unlikely to be because the resos changed from plastic to metal.My EX 90 II is in an overhaul, my luthier suggested change plastic for metal in the new pads, same price, I gone, waiting anxious now, I expect for a bit more projection (and he already has a lot today) in my experience timbre is not influenced by resonators.
I'm not sure whether this applies or not. I had a conversation with Curt Altarac a few years ago and I brought up the idea that black roos feel harder than white roos to some players. He insisted that both use exactly the same felt and suggested that the way the leather is treated to produce the black color possibly makes the covering more "rigid" than the white leather. I don't know if this has an "acoustic effect" or not. I have never used black roo pads so I don't have any first hand experience. I have however installed white, chocolate, and roo extremes and found the white and chocolate to feel much the same, and that the extremes to be more rigid by design. The extreme pads are far more difficult to install since they are very unforgiving if the tonehole is not perfectly flat or there is any looseness in the keys. I just did a 6 month overhaul "check-up" on a customer's Super 20 tenor and can verify Curt Altarac's claim that once properly installed the extreme pads are "extremely" consistent over time.This is the first time that I have heard the argument that black Roo pads are inherently brighter. Could you please share some links to those claims?
There has, however, been considerable discussion about resonator material, and the conclusion has been that resonator size will affect the result more than the choice of materials (for a given shape). Getting the leaks out of a horn will usually make it sound brighter too.
A great answer, I totally agree, is 'excited anxiety'If the horn ends up sounding better and projecting better, it's unlikely to be because the resos changed from plastic to metal.
It is very likely to be because your tech's scope of repad work included getting everything else....pad leaks, key regulation, mechanical adjustments, etc....up to par.
Just saying, people think a 'repad' is just 'installing new pads'. But any tech will tell you, there are at least a half dozen other adjustments/service steps done on the horn during the repad....all effecting the horn's performance.
Don't be anxious....unless it's 'excited anxiousness' and not 'worried anxiousness' :bluewink:....if your tech is a good one, I am sure you will be incredibly pleased. EX90's are great horns !
Does this apply only to Keilworth saxes or to all saxes?The wise thing to do is to use original pads or the closest you can get. Unless, of course, you think you know more about making a saxophone than the manufacturer.
Pad "technology" has changed more than a bit in 100 years. It is not a matter of knowing more, but making good choices of options available. One can still choose to use small diameter (or no) resonators.The wise thing to do is to use original pads or the closest you can get. Unless, of course, you think you know more about making a saxophone than the manufacturer.
I agree, this is a 'dynamic' of these pads, I have also found.The acoustic effect that I have experienced with black Roo pads is the slapping/popping noise that they make when they connect on the tone hole. It is prevalent when the horn is close-mic'd, as in studio recording. The chocolate pads are plenty stiff for a firm feel, and less noisy, thus my preference.