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Does anybody know if the serial numbers were stamped at the time of the body (tube) manufacture or at the completion of the horn?
I've always assumed that they would be done at the time the tube was made, then the tube may sit in storage a while, waiting for buyers demand, until being finished. Is this right?
Also, does anyone know when the 400 Baritone began its run?
Is there anything before 1960 / 360xxx?
 

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I believe that the serial numbers were stamped at the time the bodies were made. I have a sopranino stamped 190xxx that sat in the factory for years until it was assembled and sold in the 40s. The engraving on it dates to the 40s and says Aristocrat but the body was produced in the 20s. I've found others from that same 190xxx lot that were stamped with a serial number but still in raw brass and never padded nor engraved.

I've also been told about a trip to the Buescher factory in the 1950s when a customer wanted a curved soprano. This was definitely a special order in the 50s. In the factory was an 1920s curved body keyed to high F. Later TT keys from the 30s were put on the horn so it could be sold to the gentleman.

I've never found a Buescher 400 baritone before 360xxx and I've looked.

Gayle Fredenburgh
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Thanks for the info Gayle,
interesting to speculate why Buescher made such a fuss about the release of the 400 series but didn't add the Baritone until 59/60? nearly 15 years after the altos & tenors?

A recent Baritone 400 on ebay had the paperwork showing Nov 1959 & serial 361051 - must be pretty close to the start of the run. My own baritone is 377181 but has a rounded G# key not the square one .

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I think most makers stamp it as the tube is being made. My mark VI has a number from 1962 but I know it was made in Jan. 1964. I think it was because the body had some options and they made a bunch of bodies that way and waited for orders.
 

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A touch of speculation, perhaps, but ....

The Big B bari continued into the 340Ks for sure and probably into the 350Ks.... very likely right up to 359K. At that point, the back bell key Aristocrat (141/157) was replaced by a cheaper model (nickle plated keys, etc.), but the actual model (i.e. the 141/157) then became the 400.

The Aristocrat, that is to say, became second line at that point. Buescher needed a pro line bari ... and the 400 was born.

... or perhaps it was just co-incidence! Take your pick.
 

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Yes, saxpics have an aristocrat baritone 358475 shown.
and this from Sax Pics:
* Aristocrat "Big B" models: s/n 291xxx to ca. 355xxx; 1941 to 1955
* Aristocrat (Series II -- model 140 alto, etc.): s/n 331xxx to ca. 357xxx; 1951 to 1959
* Aristocrat (Series III -- model 141 alto, etc.): s/n 357xxx to ca. 405xxx; 1959 to 1963
* 400 "Top Hat and Cane" model : s/n 295xxx to ca. 359xxx; 1941 to 1959
* 400 (Series II -- model S5 alto, etc.): s/n 359xxx to ca. 405xxx; 1959 to 1963
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I have an interesting Buescher ad here/ March 31st 1960 for "The most complete line of saxophones" with Sigurd Rascher.
The ad says "Rascher film now available for showing! 25 minute motion picture in colour, "The Saxophone", staring Sigurd Rascher demonstrating embrouchure, breathing, overtones, vibrato, tongueing, ginger techniques - and much, much more. Ask your Buescher Dealer!"

Well I would ask my Buescher dealer but ......
Anyone seen this film or know if it still exists?

Also interesting is the line of saxes shown. S-90 Bass, S-80 Baritone, S-20 Tenor, S1-Alto, S50 Soprano, 123 Sopranino. The alto & tenor have the super 400 mechanism / key layout, but appear (its faint) to have Aristocrat engraving - as has the baritone.
The ad also says " Maker of the "Super 400". the "400", the Super Aristocrat and the Aristocrat.
Any guess as to what a Super Aristocrat is?
 

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Yes, saxpics have an aristocrat baritone 358475 shown.
and this from Sax Pics:
* Aristocrat "Big B" models: s/n 291xxx to ca. 355xxx; 1941 to 1955
* Aristocrat (Series II -- model 140 alto, etc.): s/n 331xxx to ca. 357xxx; 1951 to 1959
* Aristocrat (Series III -- model 141 alto, etc.): s/n 357xxx to ca. 405xxx; 1959 to 1963
* 400 "Top Hat and Cane" model : s/n 295xxx to ca. 359xxx; 1941 to 1959
* 400 (Series II -- model S5 alto, etc.): s/n 359xxx to ca. 405xxx; 1959 to 1963
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I have an interesting Buescher ad here/ March 31st 1960 for "The most complete line of saxophones" with Sigurd Rascher.
The ad says "Rascher film now available for showing! 25 minute motion picture in colour, "The Saxophone", staring Sigurd Rascher demonstrating embrouchure, breathing, overtones, vibrato, tongueing, ginger techniques - and much, much more. Ask your Buescher Dealer!"

Well I would ask my Buescher dealer but ......
Anyone seen this film or know if it still exists?

Also interesting is the line of saxes shown. S-90 Bass, S-80 Baritone, S-20 Tenor, S1-Alto, S50 Soprano, 123 Sopranino. The alto & tenor have the super 400 mechanism / key layout, but appear (its faint) to have Aristocrat engraving - as has the baritone.
The ad also says " Maker of the "Super 400". the "400", the Super Aristocrat and the Aristocrat.
Any guess as to what a Super Aristocrat is?
Sorry to revive an old thread, but I would really really like to see the aforementioned film. Anyone know about it's existence?
 
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