[pablosaxo]

Yesterday i found a strange sax that has the selmer stamp, and says "Made in Germany", as you can see at the pictures. So I want to know, how do you think? Its a selmer?, or it is a stencil? Because I had read that "Selmer Bundy" or "Selmer Bundy Special" has the stamp "Made in Germany" and Selmer logo, and were manufactured by Keilwerth...
Any help will be appreciated.

 

[milandro]

your pictures are out of focus so it is impossible to see what you mean.......I might vaguely read made in Germany, but I am not even sure it says that! Kindly provide some better and bigger (and more detailed pictures including the serial number and other details ) . Selmer France, to my knowledge, has never sold an instrument that wasn't made by them directly. There are several non- Selmer made denominations bearing the name Selmer (which is confusing)

 

[cpete]

Wow! I think this may be a rare beast, that is the full Selmer logo.
Must be a Keilworth though? Probably Selmer Pennsylvania stencil by K

 

[milandro]

Wow! I think this may be a rare beast, that is the full Selmer logo.
Must be a Keilworth though?

It would be a KeilwErth ( ) only if that is a Bundy and that logo (although blurred) doesn't look a Selmer Bundy. Henri Selmer France has never had any horn made elsewhere, even the American Selmers were only assembled in America and purely to bypass custom problems. They never had a " cheap line" made anywhere to save costs, and the surely wouldn't have had any made in Germany by a competitor.
Anyway more, better and detailed pictures are needed for the identification.

 

[cpete]

Keilworth, Keilwerth, it's a weird sax and we don't know what it is! Could be a Salmor or even Yamagoosima

 

[stitch]

As far as I can tell, there's nothing about the design that says KW, but the brace certainly looks Selmer.

 

[cpete]

As far as I can tell, there's nothing about the design that says KW, but the brace certainly looks Selmer.

There were also some other Selmer stencils by another French outfit, if I recall.

 

[milandro]

As far as I can tell, there's nothing about the design that says KW, but the brace certainly looks Selmer.

There were also some other Selmer stencils by another French outfit, if I recall.

Ok, maybe useful to read this............

http://www.cybersax.com/QA/Q&A_Selmer_New_York_Saxophones.html

and this:
"............

Here is a list of those Selmer stenciled saxophones;
"Selmer Pennsylvania Special" (has the stamp "Made in Czechoslovakia"): Keilwerth-made.
"Selmer Pennsylvania": Made at various times by Karl Meyer, Pierret and others. Generally has the stamp "Selmer London".
"Selmer Bundy/Bundy Special" (has the stamp "Made in Germany"): Manufactured by Keilwerth.
"Selmer Adolphe Sax": Some of these were actually made from parts available from the son of sax inventor Adolph Sax. Most likely made at the old 'Sax' plant.
"Selmer Manhattan": Manufactured by Martin.
"Selmer New York": Manufactured by Conn and some models by Buescher.
"Selmer American": Read: Selmer New York.
"Selmer Pennsylvania Super": Made by Yanagisawa.

Gwen Shroyer
www.saxophoneresources.com
www.coolreedpipes.com

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[Jazz House]

As far as I can tell, there's nothing about the design that says KW, but the brace certainly looks Selmer.

I agree. Plus, what little I can see of the octave mechanism looks like the selmer design.

 

[cpete]

Odd that Beaugnier wasn't mentioned since they also made some of the "Selmer" stencils

 

[milandro]

you mean like in this other answer by the same author
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Saxophone-2232/2008/9/mystery-sax-1.htm

 

[cpete]

I guess so, assuming she is correct.

 

[milandro]

I wouldn't know if Beaugnier ever made a stencil branded Selmer London. I too thought those were Bueschers ............the plot thickens!

 

[pablosaxo]

Well, i´ve red the article that says of "Made In Germany" are Selmer Bundy/Special, actually i wrote it when i make the question =). Sorry for the pictures, it is not my sax (remember), but i will contact with the owner, and ask him for some serial numers, or any number or any logo or any word... :S, the fact is that the sax needs a repair (as it says in Mercado Libre), but look the price: U$1052, it is really cheap, so i think the owner doesn´t know about his instrument, or he knows that is a stencil. I will call him tomorrow, and then i tell you.

 

[cpete]

Not that cheap perhaps.

 

[pablosaxo]

The fact is that the information you answer is useful, but non of them shows a SELMER MADE IN GERMANY stamp :S it´s very very rare...Bundys have Bundy stamp, not Selmer Made in Germany

 

[pablosaxo]

Well here in University some years ago a girl that was just starting her career bought a selmer mark VI for 200 dollars in his little town (think that 300 people live there)...believe me or not...the owner had died (do not know if i wrote it well), and the family were very sad, and doesn´t know about the sax (and his real price) so they sold it...Now that girl is the luckiest person in the world :S
Here in Argentina extraordinary things happen

 

[milandro]

Yes ,but finding a yet unknown Henri Selmer France made in Germany wouldn't be just extraordinary it would be a miracle!


Many extraordinary things can happen in Argentina or anywhere else and people have sold expensive saxophones for cheap all over the world.

 

[stitch]

Well, i´ve red the article that says of "Made In Germany" are Selmer Bundy/Special,

That's right, and they LOOK like Keilwerths too, NOT like French Selmers, as the one in your photos appears to do.

AFAIK no Selmer-sold stencils had the standard Henri Selmer Paris logo, as this one seems to have; they were totally separate models and couldn't possibly be confused with the 'real' thing.

finding a yet unknown Henri Selmer France made in Germany wouldn't be just extraordinary it would be a miracle!

Absolutely!!!

 

[pablosaxo]

I have been calling the owner of this sax since yesterday and didn´t answer.
I have been watching the photos, and as far i can see i cannot read on any place made in germany know, i think that says New York Elkhart, is that possible????