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Selmer stencil by Keilwerth?

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Yesterday i found a strange sax that has the selmer stamp, and says "Made in Germany", as you can see at the pictures. So I want to know, how do you think? Its a selmer?, or it is a stencil? Because I had read that "Selmer Bundy" or "Selmer Bundy Special" has the stamp "Made in Germany" and Selmer logo, and were manufactured by Keilwerth...
Any help will be appreciated.
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your pictures are out of focus so it is impossible to see what you mean.......I might vaguely read made in Germany, but I am not even sure it says that! Kindly provide some better and bigger (and more detailed pictures including the serial number and other details ) . Selmer France, to my knowledge, has never sold an instrument that wasn't made by them directly. There are several non- Selmer made denominations bearing the name Selmer (which is confusing)
Wow! I think this may be a rare beast, that is the full Selmer logo.
Must be a Keilworth though? Probably Selmer Pennsylvania stencil by K
Wow! I think this may be a rare beast, that is the full Selmer logo.
Must be a Keilworth though?
It would be a KeilwErth (;) :) ) only if that is a Bundy and that logo (although blurred) doesn't look a Selmer Bundy. Henri Selmer France has never had any horn made elsewhere, even the American Selmers were only assembled in America and purely to bypass custom problems. They never had a " cheap line" made anywhere to save costs, and the surely wouldn't have had any made in Germany by a competitor.
Anyway more, better and detailed pictures are needed for the identification.
Keilworth, Keilwerth, it's a weird sax and we don't know what it is! Could be a Salmor or even Yamagoosima
As far as I can tell, there's nothing about the design that says KW, but the brace certainly looks Selmer.
As far as I can tell, there's nothing about the design that says KW, but the brace certainly looks Selmer.
There were also some other Selmer stencils by another French outfit, if I recall.
As far as I can tell, there's nothing about the design that says KW, but the brace certainly looks Selmer.
There were also some other Selmer stencils by another French outfit, if I recall.
Ok, maybe useful to read this............

http://www.cybersax.com/QA/Q&A_Selmer_New_York_Saxophones.html

and this:
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Here is a list of those Selmer stenciled saxophones;
"Selmer Pennsylvania Special" (has the stamp "Made in Czechoslovakia"): Keilwerth-made.
"Selmer Pennsylvania": Made at various times by Karl Meyer, Pierret and others. Generally has the stamp "Selmer London".
"Selmer Bundy/Bundy Special" (has the stamp "Made in Germany"): Manufactured by Keilwerth.
"Selmer Adolphe Sax": Some of these were actually made from parts available from the son of sax inventor Adolph Sax. Most likely made at the old 'Sax' plant.
"Selmer Manhattan": Manufactured by Martin.
"Selmer New York": Manufactured by Conn and some models by Buescher.
"Selmer American": Read: Selmer New York.
"Selmer Pennsylvania Super": Made by Yanagisawa.

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As far as I can tell, there's nothing about the design that says KW, but the brace certainly looks Selmer.
I agree. Plus, what little I can see of the octave mechanism looks like the selmer design.
Odd that Beaugnier wasn't mentioned since they also made some of the "Selmer" stencils
I guess so, assuming she is correct.
I wouldn't know if Beaugnier ever made a stencil branded Selmer London. I too thought those were Bueschers ............the plot thickens! :cool:
Well, i麓ve red the article that says of "Made In Germany" are Selmer Bundy/Special, actually i wrote it when i make the question =). Sorry for the pictures, it is not my sax (remember), but i will contact with the owner, and ask him for some serial numers, or any number or any logo or any word... :S, the fact is that the sax needs a repair (as it says in Mercado Libre), but look the price: U$1052, it is really cheap, so i think the owner doesn麓t know about his instrument, or he knows that is a stencil. I will call him tomorrow, and then i tell you.
Not that cheap perhaps.
The fact is that the information you answer is useful, but non of them shows a SELMER MADE IN GERMANY stamp :S it麓s very very rare...Bundys have Bundy stamp, not Selmer Made in Germany
Well here in University some years ago a girl that was just starting her career bought a selmer mark VI for 200 dollars in his little town (think that 300 people live there)...believe me or not...the owner had died (do not know if i wrote it well), and the family were very sad, and doesn麓t know about the sax (and his real price) so they sold it...Now that girl is the luckiest person in the world :S
Here in Argentina extraordinary things happen
Yes ,but finding a yet unknown Henri Selmer France made in Germany wouldn't be just extraordinary it would be a miracle!


Many extraordinary things can happen in Argentina or anywhere else and people have sold expensive saxophones for cheap all over the world.
Well, i麓ve red the article that says of "Made In Germany" are Selmer Bundy/Special,
That's right, and they LOOK like Keilwerths too, NOT like French Selmers, as the one in your photos appears to do.

AFAIK no Selmer-sold stencils had the standard Henri Selmer Paris logo, as this one seems to have; they were totally separate models and couldn't possibly be confused with the 'real' thing.

finding a yet unknown Henri Selmer France made in Germany wouldn't be just extraordinary it would be a miracle!
Absolutely!!!
I have been calling the owner of this sax since yesterday and didn麓t answer.
I have been watching the photos, and as far i can see i cannot read on any place made in germany know, i think that says New York Elkhart, is that possible????
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