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I know that's probably a bit provocative of a title to some people, but I've learned a lot these past few months and I thought it would be nice to share.

I got a Selmer Mk VII new from my parents in 1978 or 1979 when I was in high school. I had just made first chair in the high school wind ensemble as a sophomore and they were very proud and scrimped and got it for me. It was much better than any of the school horns I had played, better than any of my peers' horns but not quite as nice as a Mk VI that I had access to occasionally. I played it all through high school and college, playing in my college jazz band. I'm no great shakes, but I was no beginner.

Since college I'd not played much, but someone dared me so I pulled it out and started playing again. After 42 years it needed an overhaul, so I found Mark Aronson (probably from someone here mentioning him) in Iowa (I'm in Texas) and shipped it off to him for some work.

I told him I hated the left hand pinky table and I almost tongue-in-cheek asked him to refit it to a Mk VI style. He saw that as a challenge. It ended up it that it would have cost me too much, but I enjoyed how hard he researched it, he seemed really excited to do it. I kind of feel like I let him down. But he told me that it looked like it wasn't adjusted well, so he made some major changes to how the keys were angled and I couldn't be happier. All those years of cussing it out are washed away.

He also found that the bell to body ring had a hidden crack. There were numerous other adjustments needed, some due to age, some because Selmer just simply put it together badly.

Okay, this is already too long. The result of Mark's work is that this horn is now simply amazing. The intonation is nothing like I ever remembered. I had always been told that I should expect some challenging notes for intonation, but I think my standards were too low. I can't believe how well it plays in tune, how responsive it is, and how good it sounds.

Mark told me that the real problem with the Mk VII wasn't the design. He said he thought it was actually a better design than the Mk VI. The problem is that Selmer's build quality slipped in the seventies, and that sloppiness from the factory gave it a bad reputation.

From my experience, the Mk VII can be a fantastic horn. I believed too much negativity about it and accepted a lot of flaws that could have been fixed. In my defense, we didn't have the internet or youtube back then to be exposed to the wealth of knowledge out there.

Mark Aronson is a miracle worker. I highly recommend him, and I love my Mk VII more than I ever have. Thanks, I just wanted to share.
 

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Is yours a tenor or alto ? I have both alto and tenor Mk7s and also MkVIs. I think the 7s are fine horns, especially the alto which is my favourite for sound, intonation and ergonomics. The tenor is also good.

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the altos are rather more widely accepted to be a great horn on its own merits. Both the left hand table and the neck shape don’t seem to be such a wide departure from tradition on alto while on tenor this has been causing people to see this a wildly departure from the VI .

Quality may have been an issue as with so many things, the ’70 signified an increase in uitput in almost anything, the world market was growing while at the same time competition was rising spectacularly.
 

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Quality may have been an issue with your VII, but mine had no such issues.
If the problem with the VII was the quality of build, why does everyone say it is the design?
I’ve read plenty of opinions on this model and don’t recall any mentions of the quality of its build.
Certainly there may be some that weren’t made as well as others, but I don’t believe it is something inherent to this model.
 

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I have had a few , not from new, they were all very nice horns, in fact it was the first “ pro” horn that I have ever had and it was very nice playing them. I have had another couple. I never noticed any “ issues” but I am not a tech nor have I taken any apart.
 

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He also found that the bell to body ring had a hidden crack. There were numerous other adjustments needed, some due to age, some because Selmer just simply put it together badly.
That's a common flaw found on these horns. My '78 VII tenor (that I also got brand spanking new in high school) had that gap between the bell and bow connection. Might have been between the bow and body as well, but I never confirmed it before I eventually dumped it.
 

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I once played with a tenor player who used a Mark 7 and sounded fantastic on it. He was also a great big guy with hands like a bunch of bananas, and even he had had to have the abominable tilting low Bb disabled and soldered so as not to tilt.

For someone with medium-small hands (for a guy) like mine, it's basically impossible to play the low notes on a 7 without spectacular hand position contortions. At least that's been my experience (which isn't that extensive). Frankly if I had one I'd be cutting off the left hand keys and silver soldering on something like the Balanced Action had. No tilting low Bb, ever! Worse than wire hangers!
 

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It's possible post photos
I'm no great photographer, I could only really just show a picture that will look like a saxophone.

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The Bell-Bow ring looks a lot different after being replaced. It has two grooves and a is fitted in an entirely different method. You can see the ends of the two screws on one side. The other side of the ring has a weird "round dove-tail" fitting, for lack of a better term.

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that's a good serial # you have, it's an earlier Mark VII. I have an alto 254XXX it's the best alto I've ever played, compared with many SBA, MK VI, etc etc. There is a huge difference between these ones from 1976-77 and the later ones, I've even noticed a big decrease in the quality of build in the later ones. They just look and play cheap. Glad you got yours fixed up!
 

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that's a good serial # you have, it's an earlier Mark VII. I have an alto 254XXX it's the best alto I've ever played, compared with many SBA, MK VI, etc etc. There is a huge difference between these ones from 1976-77 and the later ones, I've even noticed a big decrease in the quality of build in the later ones. They just look and play cheap. Glad you got yours fixed up!
Thanks Nathan.
 
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