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I made two clips,one of them with my Selmer Mark VI -56 and the other is B&S"Blue laber" tenor.
In both clips I use HR Theo Wanne Datta (8) with rico Jazz select 3S reed.

I would like to hear from you guys what you think?
Is there a huge sound difference?

Mark VI,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6IJ051XWK0

B&S,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3AC9YzBobo

I´m selling the B&S and made the clips in purpose to use them as help with selling but then I started to listen the clips and...well....I just need to hear some opinions...

Thanks allready!
 

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well, as we've seen other times in comparative tests many tend to sound pretty much as themselves on different horns. I found that the B&S (I like the typo B&B in the title! ) was noticeably brighter but these things can happen also when playing on the same horn because of a minute difference in the positioning of the reed. I would tend to say that the B&S is brighter though. Not a bad sound at all for such a underrated horn. Unless you really need the money for something else, you might as well keep the B&S since it won't be delivering tons of cash (in the Netherlands, for example, they are notoriously difficult to sell due to some underserved ill fame ) and you can always use when you don't want to risk your Mark VI.
 

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Hahaaaa,what a typo...B&B.....Bill Barone? ;)

Milandro,my good man,you said it!Why to sell it...You´re also right,the B&S is brighter,I do agree.
And these horns are very underrated in Scandinavia too so I´m not looking to fetch loads of cash so I might as well keep it.
Thank you for your opinion!
 

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I like your sound better on the VI. It sounds more refined to my ear. That said, the B&S is not a bad sounding horn at all! So like milandro suggests, keep it if you don't need the cash. And I heard a rumor that two horns will keep you warmer on a cold Swedish winter's night than just one. (Always looking for the practical excuse I am!) :)
 

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When you use a high baffle mouthpiece, pretty much every horn sounds the same. There would be a more pronounced difference if you played a mouthpiece that had less baffle.
 

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When you use a high baffle mouthpiece, pretty much every horn sounds the same. There would be a more pronounced difference if you played a mouthpiece that had less baffle.
I'm not sure I agree with that, but if was the case, what would be the reason for it?

Petri, the VI sounds better to me - a smoother, more interesting sound, (and I'm not just saying that to make you feel better if you decide to sell!) but keep the B&S if you can. How many tenors have you got? - don't worry, I'll tell you when to stop! :bluewink:
 

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Patri.... this is a no brainer...... The vi kills the b&s.... To my ears the b&s sounds more focused and darker.. much smaller sounding and less complex. Don't mess with the vi. The b&s is a good horn but sounds like a toy sax
compared to the vi.
 

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who knows what would have happened if the test would have been offered to us in a blind form.........
 

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nice clips and even tough I have a soft spot for B&S, it just doesn't have the body of the Selmer - this seems especially obvious around the break. Selmer has a much fuller and better balance of tone across the whole range. Mind you it can also be that this mpc is not the best for the B&S..
 

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I owned a B&S Blue Label Tenor in the past, and playtested two more. Mine had a great sound, and a great response, possibly a tad bright, but very nice. Intonation wasn't good at all. Low notes played very sharp... the other two were better, but didn't ring like mine.

All in all, underrated horns. Find one that makes you feel comfortable with intonation. My 0,02.
 

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who knows what would have happened if the test would have been offered to us in a blind form.........
Exactly. I think the sound on those clips has more to do with the mpc than the horn. Use a different mpc and you'll hear a much bigger difference than between the two horns. Having said all that, I also prefer the VI.
 

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Than you all for the opinions!

B&S´s are really underrated horns but Mark VI is at totally different level...
I played the B&S with Teo Wanne Gaia (HR) and the sound just became too "round"...
IMO the B&S is extremele"mouthpiece picky" (is that a real word...) while the Mark VI works with everything.
I will do a clip with the Gaia so you can hear the difference there.
 

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Ok,you asked for it so here it is, A BLIND TEST...

I used two different saxes,mark VI and B&S"Blue laber".Three different mouthpieces.
I will not reveal with mouthpieces I used but they all are....hmm....differen type of mouthpieces...

The questions are,
1. Whick one is Mark VI,which is B&S?
2. Which clip do you like the most?
3. What kind of mouthpieces did I use?hard rubber or metal?...you get extra ponts by quessing the mouthpiece brand and model right.

If you come by more questions,feel free... :)

I used the same reed with all the clips,Rico Jazz,unfiled,3S.

Clip 1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMzMf9k5OJA
Clip 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN00UnVRdEM
Clip 3.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp6od6hOFo8
Clip 4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yklDQ9H9kn4
Clip 5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0etET_wiDz4
Clip 6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_1gqBzU7QI

Thank you all for your time and for watching these.
It has been interesting to make these clips...a real wakeup call...
 

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wow, nice, almost impossible to answer (and these tests, as usual, make people understand how pointless the many discussions on tone really are....) ...... but for the pure purpose of exercise I would say that I think that 3-4-5-is the Mark VI. I can't say which mouthpieces were used
 

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It´s impossible to quess the mouthpieces so these are the mouthpieces I used,
Theo Wanne Datta,Brahma and Gaia,all hard rubber.
very different type of pieces.
Gaia reminds me of vintage Link,Brahma is very much like otto link EB and Datta reminds me of Lamberson´s...
 
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