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Does anyone out there know if Selmer is working on a Concept for bari? I have them for s/a/t, and while they're not my main pieces (Raschers) I really like them. They're dark enough that I don't mind playing them for classical, but flexible enough that despite the narrow tip opening I really like what they do in a jazz setting, especially on soprano. While I'm sure my Rascher bari piece isn't going anywhere, a Concept would certainly be a nice addition.
 

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not yet, but they are not likely to develop something for a market that small any time soon.

If you like the idea, why don't you get in touch with SYOS and see if the can produce you ( they do 3D mouthpieces) which will take the curve and design to the size you need?

They are expert acoustitians and may be interested, their production method allows for a small time production.

https://www.syos.co/en/contact
 

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What's the difference between the Concept and other Selmer pieces like the Super Session, Spirit, and Soloist? The outside shapes are different but internally they all seem very similar to me- just curious?
 

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What's the difference between the Concept and other Selmer pieces like the Super Session, Spirit, and Soloist? The outside shapes are different but internally they all seem very similar to me- just curious?
probably just me, but on soprano i find the Concept to trend more oboe than flute on the low end. like the Selmer Classic Metal.
 

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not yet, but they are not likely to develop something for a market that small any time soon.

If you like the idea, why don't you get in touch with SYOS and see if the can produce you ( they do 3D mouthpieces) which will take the curve and design to the size you need?

They are expert acoustitians and may be interested, their production method allows for a small time production.

https://www.syos.co/en/contact
That's an interesting idea. I wouldn't know how to describe the sound well enough to produce a scaled-up version for bari, but it may be worth expoloring.

What's the difference between the Concept and other Selmer pieces like the Super Session, Spirit, and Soloist? The outside shapes are different but internally they all seem very similar to me- just curious?
I only have experience with the scroll shank Larry Teal and Soloist/Soloist Style pieces. The Soloist/Style models have a horseshoe-shaped chamber, the LTs are round. I actually find the LT and the Concept to be somewhat similar, but the Concept seems to have a thinner, flatter beak, a smaller tip, and longer facing. Sound-wise I find the Concept just a little fuller and more complex, but only trying one of each, the differences could be attributed to the inherent inconsistencies from piece to piece.

I've wanted to try the Spirit (Meyer-ish) and the SD20 (original round chamber Soloist, discontinued?), but haven't had the chance yet. Still haven't tried a Super Session yet, either.
 

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probably just me, but on soprano i find the Concept to trend more oboe than flute on the low end. like the Selmer Classic Metal.
The Metal Classic is one of my main jazz pieces, which could be why I like the Concept so much. I get a touch more oboe out of the Selmer pieces on my Antigua soprano compared to my Rascher, which I find more "flutey"; but the Concept is not too oboe-y, overall a very pleasing sound.

For bari I find the Rascher and Caravan pieces to be very cello-like. I'm wondering if a Concept would give it more of a bassoon-type sound.
 
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Does anyone out there know if Selmer is working on a Concept for bari?
I do not know, but Selmer currently makes only two baritone mouthpieces: the S80 and the S90. Not only no Concept, but also no Soloist and nothing in the jazzy vein. Judging by the relationship between S80 and Concept prices for the alto and tenor models, a Concept mouthpiece for baritone sax probably would have a street price of close to $400. Would you be prepared to pay that? Maybe so, but I doubt that there would be very many other classical bari players with big budgets who wanted a Selmer mp yet didn't find either the S80 or S90 adequate.
 

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a Concept mouthpiece for baritone sax probably would have a street price of close to $400. Would you be prepared to pay that?
Apparently ordering from European vendors is a little cheaper, but I've gotten all my Concepts on the used market at a nice discount. I'm very patient. :bluewink:
 

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Apparently ordering from European vendors is a little cheaper, but I've gotten all my Concepts on the used market at a nice discount. I'm very patient. :bluewink:
You'd have to be in this case! A mouthpiece that, should it ever be manufactured at all, would surely be produced only in small quantities, could take close to forever to trickle out into the used market. I acquired a used alto Concept in a trade, but when I wanted to try a soprano Concept, I ended up buying a new one at the cheapest retail price I could find (it may have been a European shop; I can't recall). I think I would despair if I had to conceive a strategy for obtaining an affordable Concept for baritone someday.

Anyway, everyone can't buy used. The larger point is that the probable disinclination of the market as a whole to pay ~$400 is a factor that would discourage Selmer from moving forward.
 

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So today blowing my bari I got curious. The tenor Concept is longer than any of my other tenor pieces, so I thought, "why not?" It went snuggly onto the cork about 3/4", and actually played! Intonation wasn't quite as good as it is on tenor, but it was certainly passable. The tone was a little muffled, but I probably just needed to try a different reed. Basically what I'm saying, based on my extensive ~6.5 minutes of playtime :rolleyes:, is that with some minor modifications (and a slightly longer shank), a bari Concept seems like a real possibility!
 
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