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Is that minor pentatonic the "blues" scale?

Great tool by the way, I'd love to "borrow" a set when they are done. My theory is no better than yours:(
 

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I believe you have to add some "passing" tones to make it a blues scale. Minor Pen + flatted 5th, I "think". I know the patterns on the guitar, but the theory is another story.
C Min Pen = C Eb F G Bb C
C blues = C Eb F Gb (Gb is flatted 5th) G Bb C
F Min Pen = F Ab Bb C Eb F
F blues = F Ab Bb B (B is flatted 5th) C Eb F
I will add this to the scales charts is it proves to be correct.

I will post links when I am finished. My goal is to have them for my iPad.
 

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What you are doing is creating the major scale and then constructing the 3 parallel minor scales---that is the minor scales beginning on the same tonic.

I am not going to correct your mistakes, but to give you the formulas to use to make your own corrections.

1. To take a major scale to its natural minor scale add 3 flats or take away 3 sharps from the key signature or any combination thereof. Removing a sharp is the same as adding a flat and vice versa.

2. To change the natural minor scale to the harmonic minor scale, raise the 7th tone of the scale 1/2 step. This creates a half step between 7 & 8, and 1 1/2 steps between 6 & 7 which gives the scale an "Eastern" sound.

3. To change the natural minor scale to the melodic scale, raise the 6th and 7th tones 1/2 step going up, and lower them back down 1/2 step coming down. That makes the harmonic scale descending the same as the natural minor scale.

4. The "Relative" natural minor scale to any major scale goes from La to La instead of Do to Do and shares the same key signature.

When you learn these, I will teach you how to construct the "traumatic" scale and how to spell "demented" chords. :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
 

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I'm going to get picky now because you have shown you are a bright student.

-It is usually better to write the minor scales using the key signature and then the altered notes with accidentals. For example your C minor scales would have a key signature of 3 flats. It is a recognition thing when reading the scales. If one sees an accidental raising the 7th, it "looks" like a minor harmonic scale. If one sees sharps or naturals going up and then naturals or flats coming down it "looks" like a melodic minor scale.

-The other thing is your 7th chords. As you have spelled them they are Major 7th chords. In the key (signature) of C, the 7th chord spelled on I (C) is a major 7th chord and should be spelled CM7. The 7th chord spelled on IV (F) is a major 7th chord as well and should be written FM7. The 7th chord on V (G) is a dominant 7th chord and should contain an F natural because there isn't an F# in the key of C. That dominant 7th chord is spelled G7.

I am not a "know-it-all smarty pants", just a retired music teacher who misses teaching this stuff. Well, some people on SOTW think I come across as a "know-it-all" and there is not much I can do about that.
 

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jbtsax,

Your corrections are much appreciated! I will try and digest your instructions, revise and repost.

Thanks again,

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Knowing the notes and theory is great and incredibly important, but if you get the sounds in your head (sit down and figure them out with the horn in your mouth) they will be cemented there right from the beginning...Start on C major, build your scale, then pick another note to start on and build the same scale. Then go through minor scales. I am still getting the theory stuff down because I kind of learned by ear first.
 

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Ok, I have revised the key signatures to what I believe are correct and changed the 7 chords to be dom7s which is what I had in mind in the first place but for some reason I failed to flatten the 7th note on two of them.

My thinking is to have a sheet that gives me scales and the common chords for a particular key that I could practice with so that when playing with others I will be able to hang if I know the key.

http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/c_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/g_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/f_scales.pdf

At this stage, please take these with a grain of salt, as my lack of knowledge should be evident by now. :)


swperry1, Yes that is what my goal is. Once I get these sheets on my iPad I plan to practice until each key comes natural or as close as possible.

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Ok, Here are the rest except for Ab, Db and F# as I am having trouble working them out. Somehow I am coming up having to flatten sharps from the key signature ...it's a real mess but I will work on them. Kind of a musical oxymoron of sorts. :)

Also in the Eb Harmonic and Natural Minor scales I am coming up with a Cb and I don't know if that is correct or should I change it to a B?

Again, Do NOT take these as accurate just yet.

http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/a_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/bb_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/b_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/c_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/d_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/eb_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/e_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/f_scales.pdf
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/g_scales.pdf

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Edit: I think I have the Ab worked out, but like the Eb it has Cb's also.
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/ab_scales.pdf

Here is the F#:
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/fsharp_scales.pdf

How about a C# rather than a Db..... Yeash!
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/csharp_scales.pdf

Wished I had read this first!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_key

:cry:

Here is one with just the Major scales in all keys.
http://www.staggs.net/docs/music/major_scales.pdf
 

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You need to remember to lower the 6th and 7th steps when coming down the melodic minor that you raised going up. Coming down should be the same as the natural minor. The rest that I viewed looked good.
 

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jbtsax,

Thanks for all the help. I believe I have made the adjustments per your comments. At the risk of sounding even more ignorant, could you please explain why the Melodic Minor descends differently than it ascends? It's late and I may not be thinking clearly, but it is really not making sense to me why it would do this when other scales don't seem to.

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