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Hi,
I am looking at the ebay and it has this leak light for $12.99 plus $2.99 shipping.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Clarinet-Saxoph...835?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c28c4c23
Any of you have this leak light and what do you think of it?
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I would use it on a small christmas tree and nothing else - the light is just not bright enough IMHO.

If you searcj the forum for leak lights there are plenty of opinions, and suggestions on how to make your own or the popular type of light to use.

I prefer to use a localised bright light ( a 12 Volt 4 Watt car indicator bulb attached to a transformer) and then follow up any work using a feeler gauge as a leak light will not be able to indicate whether you have equal pressure all round when the pad is closed IMHO.
 

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Buy one online and support one of the forums sponsors, Music medic's, his are about $10 delivered to your door. The time it takes you to get away to home depot, modify a big light to fit and then go to use it, you will have one sitting in a pretty little box on your door step.

The rope lights are sufficient for DIY or for use in darkened enviroments, most techs use a Fluoro or as griff mentions an localised bright light

If your interested in these, votaw is a good starting point, with a complete lighting system, but your up for a couple of hundred bucks
 

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I agree. The Music Medic option not only supports the sponsors of this forum, but it saves you the time of jigging it up yourself.

I used Curt's rope light for a long while and you can get just as good results with it as with something more expensive.

I finally went to the LED option and made it up myself and although it is certainly a better option, it ain't cheap if you want a long strip of super bright LED's.

Imagine my reaction when not long after I went to all the hassle, Curt came out with an LED leak light. D'OH!!!
 

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Are these really bright enough?
It depends. If you are using it to just check for possible leaks to take the sax to a tech, used in a pitch black room, it is adequate.

If you plan to adjust regulating screws, straighten bent keys, refloat/reseat pads, then is it awkward and difficult to use since you need to keep turning the lights back on to see what you are doing.

You may be interested in this option as well. Do It Yourself LED Leak Light

I too want to echo supporting Curt Alterac for a few dollars more. If musicians don't support other musicians in the music industry---then who will? There are some folks on this forum who are so tight assed that when they break wind only dogs can hear it.
 

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I agree that ropelights are not the brightest leak lights and you definitely need to dim any ambient lights if you want to see any really small leaks.
I use a fluorescent tube and it is also not very bright. I am thinking of using a USB LED light like this



think it will be brighter than both rope light and fluorescent tub and will be fitting a curved soprano which both these lights won't fit.
 

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I have both the newer LED leak lights and a couple of the old rope lights specials.

The LED lights still require dim lighting for optimal results but truly do make it easier to work on areas where the pad seat at issue is concealed by posts. rods, ETC.

I actually still use the rope lights. They are only really useable for detailed work when the lights are out. I actually changed the on off switch for my bench lighting to a big in line on/off button (originally designed for Christmas tree lights...) right on the wall so I can swat it on and off while using the light and adjusting. The "too dark to work with adjusting tools" angle is really irritating.

The rope lights do still have one advantage though; they are generally much longer and so for some of the upper/lower stack synching adjustments they are still my light of choice to check up on things. Anyone who uses a LeBlanc system horn will appreciate "synching issues"...

You could certainly get by with a rope light but the extra few bucks (and maybe very few) are probably worth the improvement to go LED. I have the MusicMedic model.

Have never used (because I could never justify the cost and was afraid the bulb would get broken on my fairly crowded bench environment) the longer flourescents though I've always wanted to try one.
 

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Thanks guys. I've been wondering about leak lights myself lately and found the suggestions here REALLY helpful, as always. Gotta love this forum! Thanks again.
 

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Buy one online and support one of the forums sponsors, Music medic's, his are about $10 delivered to your door.
Actually the price is almost double that, $17 according to their website, excluding shipping (which might be free inside USA, I don't know).

The time it takes you to get away to home depot, modify a big light to fit and then go to use it, you will have one sitting in a pretty little box on your door step.
Does it really need "modification" to be the same? Was Grumps wrong when he wrote:
If you go to Home Depot and find something referred to as a "rope light", you can buy it for around three bucks and it's the exact same thing.
"The exact same thing" being the important issue I guess? Is it not really exactly the same? How is it different and what modifications are necessary to make it the same?
I also like to support good suppliers. I like a lot of Music Medic's products so I buy from them and recommend them when I think they are good. Eventhough it's in a different country, I sometimes order from them instead of buying locally. But I don't really recommend this rope light if the same thing is available for so much less at local stores.

I would use it on a small christmas tree and nothing else - the light is just not bright enough IMHO.
I agree, at least the rope light I have tried, assuming it's the same as that and the other ones.

I have both the newer LED leak lights and a couple of the old rope lights specials.

The LED lights still require dim lighting for optimal results but truly do make it easier to work on areas where the pad seat at issue is concealed by posts. rods, ETC.

You could certainly get by with a rope light but the extra few bucks (and maybe very few) are probably worth the improvement to go LED. I have the MusicMedic model.
I use the Kraus LED leak light and have seen Music Medic's too. I didn't have them side by side so it's hard to comapre, but my impression (and I consider that I might be wrong) was that the Kraus light is brighter. Judging simply from how easy/difficult it seemed to look directly at it. I almost never feel like I need to turn off the lights to work with the Kraus LED light, so I almost never do.
The disadvantages of the Kraus light are a somewhat higher price and that it's two ways and not 360. However the lower light sides are still pretty good and in many situations work fine. If I want it brighter I slightly turn the light inside the instrument. I'm considering getting the Music Medic LED leak light(s) too for the 360 light, the possibility that my impression of it being not as bright was wrong and because the smaller one might be usefull to get into some tight areas, through keys, etc.
Since getting the LED light I almost never use any of my other leak lights.

Have never used (because I could never justify the cost and was afraid the bulb would get broken on my fairly crowded bench environment) the longer flourescents though I've always wanted to try one.
I've tried some fluorescent lights. I also didn't like how fragile they are in comparison with the LED, which I just put on the table next to me and never have to worry about it breaking really. It's much heavier than the LED so more annoying to handle IMO. I also don't like how there is light everywhere, I found the 6" LED to be exactly perfect for not having light from everywhere you don't want but long enough for those linkages you want to (with some excepetions). Just fits what I like best.
It's also thinner and can get into detachable neck sopranos from above and possible to check the palm keys from above even on most one piece neck sopranos.
 

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.... I am thinking of using a USB LED light like this



think it will be brighter than both rope light and fluorescent tub and will be fitting a curved soprano which both these lights won't fit.
Brilliant idea, need one for the little curvies as well - thanks milandro
 

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Does it really need "modification" to be the same? Was Grumps wrong when he wrote:
"The exact same thing" being the important issue I guess? Is it not really exactly the same? How is it different and what modifications are necessary to make it the same?
I also like to support good suppliers. I like a lot of Music Medic's products so I buy from them and recommend them when I think they are good. Eventhough it's in a different country, I sometimes order from them instead of buying locally. But I don't really recommend this rope light if the same thing is available for so much less at local stores.
Nitai, grumps is not wrong, some things are to be taken for granted. A rope light from home depot will not be less than 9ft if your lucky, a bit too long for a sax, however you can simply cut them down to length if you know what your doing, as I said some things are to be a given. Example going for a drive down to the depot, its given you have a car, its given you know how to drive a car, its given you have a license, its given you have petrol. excetarii excetarii. Some things are a given.

That being said, it is not a big expense to get one for the exact size needed, and in turn you support a sponsor of the forum.

Was not aware curts was now 17 dollars, I was under the impression it was about 10 bucks, maybe Ill do a search first to confim.
 

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I actually still use the rope lights. They are only really useable for detailed work when the lights are out. I actually changed the on off switch for my bench lighting to a big in line on/off button (originally designed for Christmas tree lights...) right on the wall so I can swat it on and off while using the light and adjusting. The "too dark to work with adjusting tools" angle is really irritating.
Good to see im not the only one, I have the complete votaw lighting system, specially made led's, localised lights etc, but I use 90 percent oof the time a simple rope light with dimmed lighting. Makes it really simple to check top to bottom through to bell with just one light in a singular position.

Have never missed a leak.
 

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My self made LED light strip is about 2 foot long, so it's great for individual and timing leaks but as has been said, the brighter you want your LED's the more you pay. Also, the longer the LED strip, the more you pay.

That said, I think Curt's rope light is good value for money. His new LED light however is way overpriced even compared to the cost in time and hassle of going to Jaycar Electronics and making your own. Mine cost about $60 bucks in parts and maybe 20 minutes to solder up and insulate etc.
 

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A rope light from home depot will not be less than 9ft if your lucky, a bit too long for a sax, however you can simply cut them down to length if you know what your doing...
The one I bought at Home Depot for three bucks is about two feet long, fits right down my horns and requires no modification. In response to Nitai above, for all intents and purposes it's the exact same thing that I've seen sold by a few folks over the years as "saxophone leak lights".
 

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My self made LED light strip is about 2 foot long, so it's great for individual and timing leaks but as has been said, the brighter you want your LED's the more you pay. Also, the longer the LED strip, the more you pay.

That said, I think Curt's rope light is good value for money. His new LED light however is way overpriced even compared to the cost in time and hassle of going to Jaycar Electronics and making your own. Mine cost about $60 bucks in parts and maybe 20 minutes to solder up and insulate etc.
Is the one you made flexible or rigid? Did you make it so the light strips are back to back so the light shines 360 degrees without having to turn it? How many volts does it use? A picture would be nice. Thanks.
 
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