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Hey guys,

I've sniffed around these forums for the last 5 years or so, I've always found what was said helpful, and considerate. I've found a new problem and something I've, not truely found a place for on your boards.

TMJ issues.

over the last two years, I've had my wisdom teeth drop, this seems to be the kicker that got the ball rolling, I naturally have a bit of an underbite, and a short upper lip so on my alto, Dropping the jaw and pushing it out, is typically what I do to find my sound. with now 4 rather large teeth in the back of my jaw, they now grate against one another in this motion. Which is not sooo bad, however keeping my jaw in that position often leads to long term pain.


That Aside, the solutions, right now seems to be full jaw surgery which could lead to 6 months of no sax, and a rather different facial structure, and a "hope" that it might fix my problems.

I'm wondering if anyone else deals with TMJ issues, and how did you cope?

I meet with a specialist on the fourth, to talk about removing my wisdom teeth, there is a chance that, that in itself, where it started to become noticeable, might resolve the issue, but I'm truly not holding out.

oh and just to clarify, while there is pain after playing. playing itself seems to alleviation the pain altogether. might be a helpful tidbit.


Thank you for your generosity in advance, always good advise here.
 

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I also don't understand how you can get a mouthpiece between your front teeth and have your wisdom teeth grinding at the same time. With regards to TMJ, fight the urge to "stretch' the area by opening up wide, you are best to keep your mouth loosely closed if it flares up and take it as a sign to play in shorter sessions with less tension. Also try working your way down to a softer reed, you might be amazed by what happens to your sound in the process.

Cheers!
 

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Grate was the wrong word..hard to describe these things

they rub against the ligament in the back of the jaw especially after I play, I'll often get these pops when I'm eating at they'll smack off each other etc, I think it is from the ligament being so tight from playing.

I'll try the softer reed, I play a 31/2 Vandoren blue box at the moment on a Soloist D
 

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This is not as uncommon as you might think. Saw threads in the past about this. There can be multiple causes, unfortunately. Had this a year ago myself, lasted a few weeks and went away. I'm afraid short of medical and dental experts weighing in here, all any of us can share is anecdotal experience. In my own case there were no dental issues. Overuse can lead to inflamation of joints even where there is no congenital/physiological defect.


Because of other health issues I learned to use accupressure, a simple technique of pinpoint massage (self administered) to troubled and painful areas of the body. Whether this was the reason or not , it went away after a few weeks of not playing the sax at all, taking anti-inflamatory supplements (both herbal and from the pharmacy), and using accupressure massage along the area of the face just above the jaw line. I would try those three things, but probably pursue medical counsel as well. I was fortunate to have it go away quickly, so no trips to the dentist. :)


Everyone seems to have a different experience though.


Good luck.



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Hey guys,

I've sniffed around these forums for the last 5 years or so, I've always found what was said helpful, and considerate. I've found a new problem and something I've, not truely found a place for on your boards.

TMJ issues.

over the last two years, I've had my wisdom teeth drop, this seems to be the kicker that got the ball rolling, I naturally have a bit of an underbite, and a short upper lip so on my alto, Dropping the jaw and pushing it out, is typically what I do to find my sound. with now 4 rather large teeth in the back of my jaw, they now grate against one another in this motion. Which is not sooo bad, however keeping my jaw in that position often leads to long term pain.


That Aside, the solutions, right now seems to be full jaw surgery which could lead to 6 months of no sax, and a rather different facial structure, and a "hope" that it might fix my problems.

I'm wondering if anyone else deals with TMJ issues, and how did you cope?

I meet with a specialist on the fourth, to talk about removing my wisdom teeth, there is a chance that, that in itself, where it started to become noticeable, might resolve the issue, but I'm truly not holding out.

oh and just to clarify, while there is pain after playing. playing itself seems to alleviation the pain altogether. might be a helpful tidbit.


Thank you for your generosity in advance, always good advise here.
It sounds like you're protruding your jaw and that's causing the wisdom teeth to make contact, discomfort?

Anyhow, not to oversimplify the situation, but you can get along just fine without ANY wisdom teeth.
 

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See what your expert says and go from there. All I can say from personal experience is that my wisdom teeth were nothing but trouble. They "squeezed" my other teeth together causing two lower front teeth to slightly overlap and were constant targets for decay (I've always had good dental hygiene, they're just hard to get to). I would have had them removed early on had I known how much trouble and expense they would cause me. Hope you get some useful advice from your professional. I would, if possible, get more than one opinion. Many people have wisdom teeth extracted early and never miss them. Two of mine (on top) are gone and I'm glad of it.

Just one other note: I was told I had TMJ years ago by a DDS (not an oral surgeon). Frankly, I never felt the need to do anything about it and can't tell it has been an issue in playing the sax (for 24 years or so). I'd be interested to know what you find out, if you don't mind sharing. In any case, good luck!
 

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Does playing the sax help TMJ like playing brass instruments
 

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Thanks. I will find them.
 
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