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I have played on a variety of worship teams over 18 years. As anyone playing worship knows, sax (and other instruments) are generally ignored in the genre. Keys, synth, and guitar are the instruments of modern worship. This means that any type of saxophone will be writing their own part. While I have played both tenor and alto in worship sets, tenor is my voice, so much of this pertains to tenor. So, how do I stay relevant in worship?

(The following is intended as an aid for sax, not a statement against worship leaders)

1) Unless asked, worship leaders take the solos. There is no place for altissimo, although it can be done tastefully when rare opportunities arise

2) Decent leaders use chord sheets and backing tracks rather than music. If you create an interesting part, write up the music to read. In time, you can remember the part and play from memory. Maintain consistency each time you play a particular song. In this way, you can add a dynamic to the music instead of "copying" the track.

3) Since the guitarists are playing a lot of rhythmic chords in the music, imitating the recordings with a karaoke worship, I have found the best things to follow are either backup vocals or the bass line. Creativity with dynamics is best.

4) Many worship teams use the "wall of sound" technique in live settings. Unfortunately, this tends to bury a tenor. Consequently, playing fills cannot be heard near as much as playing frills. It is a worship team and not a saxophone ensemble. (sad face)

5) The number one thing all worship leaders notice is whether or not you are in tune. This is true for all music. But it means fast articulation is not nearly as impressive as good intonation in a worship set. Listen to the bass if you are following the bass line, listen to the keys if that is where you have similar lines, or listen to the worship leader if no one else.

6) A smooth sound with an occasional jazzy feel works well during altar service. But bear in mind that too much jazz is perceived as "playing in minors" which is not appreciated unless the main tune is a minor.

I find these points to work for me, whether playing with a larger team with good equipment or playing with the organist and another lady singing with a tambourine. Some of these observations may be due to my inability to play well. I have always been a melodic player rather than a speed racer. I am still learning, and have gleaned a great deal from reading here. Thank you all for enabling my improvement. All comments are welcome.
 

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+1 on all of this.

I played alto in worship band. The worship leader had a side act as a blue grass band and a lot of the members attend our church and play in the band, I followed these tricks, and they liked my playing and reservedness so much they invited me to play secular gigs with their band.

Worship is about playing for god, not showing off.

I would say that I do play a lot more high notes, and some altissimo, but that is to harmonize with the vocals. I play a lot ore whole notes, turn arounds and builds. I pretend the sax is like one of the synths that are popular in CCM.

Also important to remember that the sax is a mid range instrument in a concert setting, much like a French horn. I use the sax to increase fullness and richness of the rest of the band.

I never wrote parts down, but I could remember pretty well what I liked to play, and even if my worship leader changed keys, it is easy for me to improvise and transpose based on the voicing of the things I was accustomed to playing. If you play jazz typically, this type of improvisation is super easy.
 

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Sax is ignored in the worship genre? Clearly you haven't heard of Brazil.
It is quite possible that the leaders I have worked with have a particular orientation toward their music. I have seen several worship bands with a variety of horns. Of course the worship leader determines the music and I can only speak from my own experience. I clearly believe sax belongs or I would not be doing it myself!
 

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+1 on all of this.

I played alto in worship band. The worship leader had a side act as a blue grass band and a lot of the members attend our church and play in the band, I followed these tricks, and they liked my playing and reservedness so much they invited me to play secular gigs with their band.

Worship is about playing for god, not showing off.

I would say that I do play a lot more high notes, and some altissimo, but that is to harmonize with the vocals. I play a lot ore whole notes, turn arounds and builds. I pretend the sax is like one of the synths that are popular in CCM.

Also important to remember that the sax is a mid range instrument in a concert setting, much like a French horn. I use the sax to increase fullness and richness of the rest of the band.

I never wrote parts down, but I could remember pretty well what I liked to play, and even if my worship leader changed keys, it is easy for me to improvise and transpose based on the voicing of the things I was accustomed to playing. If you play jazz typically, this type of improvisation is super easy.
I think you are right about the horn sound. I have in fact, played parts that would be perfect for a trumpet or other brass. Naturally I transpose by site; tenor is easy. (perhaps that is why I like it?)
 

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I think you would benefit by looking up Wanda Cobb on YouTube.
Thank you! She was marvelous. Her sound was very thick; most altos do not get as heavy as she did. Expression is not just for jazz, but many worship leaders are focused upon reproducing a recording rather than playing music. My worship leader Tommy is a great and he reasons that we do not have the time to practice as we should (all volunteers) so playing to tracks is a good substitute for work. But solos are guitar, for the most part. I shall continue to listen to Wanda Cobb. Again, thanks.
 

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Thank you! She was marvelous. Her sound was very thick; most altos do not get as heavy as she did. Expression is not just for jazz, but many worship leaders are focused upon reproducing a recording rather than playing music. My worship leader Tommy is a great and he reasons that we do not have the time to practice as we should (all volunteers) so playing to tracks is a good substitute for work. But solos are guitar, for the most part. I shall continue to listen to Wanda Cobb. Again, thanks.
You're very welcome. Enjoy!
 

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Brazil sounds like they are more "classical" in their worship music. Back in the 80s, the US worship contained more orchestration. Today, however, the vast majority of popular worship bands are truly limited to guitar and synth. When I say guitar, I am including electric, acoustic, and bass. I keep forgetting the drummer, but that is just an over site on my part. In one of the worship teams I am in, we have both a drummer and a click track. That's right, we cannot even keep the beat on our own! LOL
 

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well since this entire section is dedicated to sacred sax music there have to be saxophonists out there doing it, as for the prevalence of guitars and synthesizers ... this is the story in the entire music industry.


Just type “ worship saxophone “ in your tube search box and see how much there is
 

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This is probably a good time to point out that there's more than one genre of "worship" music. I've started playing at a friend's church in the last few weeks, and it's more along the lines of Kirk Franklin/Byron Cage. There's plenty of sax/horns, I play a lot of altissimo, and there's some time to stretch out.

-Bubba-
 

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This is probably a good time to point out that there's more than one genre of "worship" music. I've started playing at a friend's church in the last few weeks, and it's more along the lines of Kirk Franklin/Byron Cage. There's plenty of sax/horns, I play a lot of altissimo, and there's some time to stretch out.

-Bubba-
That is good to know. I should listen and see if Tommy would like to do their style.
 

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I always felt that soprano was more the "worship" saxophone. I love tenor, it's my preference to play but it depends on the genre of worship.. Spanish worship songs match better for soprano. The only sax I don't think works too well alone in a worship band is the bari.. That's if you aren't doing a sax quartet thing worship..
 
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