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is there enough meat on an s80 c* soprano piece to open it up?

i want to use bari star reeds on it (as i do on atb) but the hard strength reeds are too soft for it.
 

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why would you want to open up a mouthpiece that is not that special or rare to find with a larger opening tip? Is going to cost you a lot more than selling yours and buy a larger opening off the shelf. While you are at it, how about trying a super session? I'm told they are very nice on sopranos.
 

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you were just trying to be helpful, and i appreciate it. but, the reason i want to reface my boring ordinary sop mouthpiece

is because i own it already. so, i'd be able to send it off with a reed, and the refacer would be able to match the tip to the reed. on the other hand, i could buy several mouthpieces of varying sizes, and try to find the one that matches my reeds, or buy a new mouthpiece and try to find reeds to match it. either way, i'd spend just as much if not more money, but i'd have to deal with the stress of waiting by the mailbox thinking "is this the one, or have i wasted my money again?", which is more stressful then dealing with cane reeds, legeres, or fibracells, which is why i'm switching to plastic.

i've also heard that super sessions were great on sop.. just like the 20+ other mouthpieces that i've heard were great, and bought, only to get a defective one and have to return it. then i went back to what i had already and practiced.

besides, it's my money.
 

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Toasty, of course I know it is your money and goes without saying that you can and will do anything you want with it. But this wasn't my point, neither I was trying to criticize you wanting to upgrade your mouthpice. Just trying to be helpful, for what it is worth..... .

Your mouthpiece is not boring, just common, which is exactly what I said, therefore it is not difficult to go to a shop (you must have some around where you live..) and ask to try several of the same type with different openings until you find the one which suits your needs.

You can have it refaced of course but you will have to tell the refacer how open you want it since you can't expect him or her to know how open it has to go just because you provide a reed to go with it! It is just not enough information, neither you can rely on him or her playing your piece with your reed and decide which opening it has to go to because you need to say, I want is opened to this size (and he will work out how much to shave off the piece to reach the size that you will provide him).......

So, unless you are there at the refacers workshop while he is doing your piece, you will just take a guess indicating the new size it has to be.....which is not unlike ordering a off ther shelf piece without trying it first. So trying your new size first at the a shop seems to me the best possibility you have to get what you want. Once you have refaced your piece, if this is not the opening you want , it will be more difficult to sell on and more time consuming than spending a couple of hours in a shop.


This is just my two pennies worth, not trying to be judgemetal or snobbish about anything;)
 

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it's really easy to sound snobbish and judgemental posting on the web (i have a real gift for this, so i cut everyone else some slack :D ).

i appreciate your taking the time to offer advice, and it's good advice, and actually takes into account some variables i hadn't considered. it would probably be better to say, "make it feel with this reed the way it does now with a rico 3.5" (and include a few rico 3.5's, of course).

i might also shop around. there are no music shops in the area (by which i mean the lower half of the state... i've never been looking past boise, so there might be something good up north, but i doubt it.. i hear they're even LESS civilized up there :shock:) who stock anything interesting. you couldn't even get alto s80's locally until the school district started requiring them for begining band students (ugh.. and i actually like c*'s)

there's a pretty good music shop in salt lake that i may be visiting soon (need to get some work done on by bass clari, so i'll be in the area), so i could take my sop along and try a few. i recall them having a variety of s80 sizes but i can't remember if they'll let you blow before you buy. anyway, that way i'll know for sure how much i want carved off mine... or maybe i'll find one that's special enough to justify shelling out $150+ for (maybe they'll take a trade in plus cash for my horn..).
 

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Contact Erik at http://www.mouthpieceguys.com/

He told me he has good results on opening S80 for the sop

price about $65, and his work is among the very best
 

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well, I realize in many parts of the world there isn't a musical instrruments shop around every corner and even in the Netherlands I need to go to a good shop (they are not all in cities though.... we have many provincial good shops, better than most in Amsterdam!) to be able to find something more than a C* S80 for alto.

Having said that, I think that with a little research you ought to be able to find a shop who does mail order with a return policy, I've read of several on this forum.
If you talk of Boise or Salt Lake we are talking of Idaho or Utah, probably not the higest density of saxophone shops around there......
I think that shops like Kessler have a mail order routine and return policy.

Then you have a huge amount of shops on the internet.

this other one does and sells that mouthpiece you look for for $79.99
http://www.music123.com/Selmer-Paris-S80-Soprano-Sax-Mouthpiece-i68979.music

or this one
http://www.wwbw.com/Search/Default.aspx?N=61&Ntt=s80

or this one
http://www.themusicshop.com/c-162-soprano-sax-mouthpieces.aspx

I realy don't know if you can say to a refacer (it would be good if one of the many whom contribute to this forum would answer here) this is a mouthpiece which works on a 3,5 rico reed , open it up and make it feel good with a 2,5 reed (or any other size for that matter!:? )

The choice of a mouthpiece is highly personal, there is, I think, no way to say how much you have to open a mouthpiece in order to feel "right" for a given person with a given reed....

But then again it is your money....;) :) Good luck!
 

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I realy don't know if you can say to a refacer (it would be good if one of the many whom contribute to this forum would answer here) this is a mouthpiece which works on a 3,5 rico reed , open it up and make it feel good with a 2,5 reed (or any other size for that matter! )
Sure you can. But there is some risk involved in the results. I would recommend you get WW&BW to send you a Selmer D, E, and F on trial to see if any of them seem right. Problem is, Selmer tip openings vary some. I have a C* on sop that measures as a D. So if they do not have these three sizes, pick any 3 in the same ballpark. Even 3 Es.
 

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MojoBari said:
Sure you can. But there is some risk involved in the results.
that is exactly was I was trying to tell our friend toasty in perhaps too many words......essentially you agree the best thing to do is to stay with the stock mouthpiece in a larger opening variant as the best and safest option.....:)
 

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My personal soprano piece is a Selmer S80 that I have opened up to a comfortable "jazz" opening. I love Selmer rubber, and these have a great tone. Opening them up will accentuate that little classic Selmer "bump" baffle right behind the tip rail, and it projects like crazy while keeping a fine core. I wouldn't play a Super Session without enlarging the chamber, too resistant for me, but I've done several that have turned out killer players. Did I mention I love Selmer rubber? S80s will make very cool jazz pieces.
Brian
 

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brianpowell said:
My personal soprano piece is a Selmer S80 that I have opened up to a comfortable "jazz" opening. I love Selmer rubber, and these have a great tone. Opening them up will accentuate that little classic Selmer "bump" baffle right behind the tip rail, and it projects like crazy while keeping a fine core. I wouldn't play a Super Session without enlarging the chamber, too resistant for me, but I've done several that have turned out killer players. Did I mention I love Selmer rubber? S80s will make very cool jazz pieces.
Brian
How open, and how much would it cost.
 

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Erik plays on a .065" S80 (which would be like an I), I play on a .070" (about a J). The problem is that Selmer curves can tend to be all over the place, nonetheless like Mojo said each can vary in tip opening, so usually the length and rate of the curve needs to be addressed. Plus in taking a slightly closer one and opening it up, you can get more baffle into it. We charge $65 for hard rubber pieces, plus shipping of course. And I'm sure they can be opened up farther if you desire.
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3............2............1................ now every S80 on SOTW will be shipped to Brian and Erik.

I certainly can vouch for the quality of Brian's work. He did a WORLD CLASS job on a 60's Sumner alto blank for me last year.
 

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I've always liked my S80 sop mouthpiece, so I'd probably get another for them to use as a blank. IF I decide that's what I want.
 
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