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UPDATE: It's come to my attention that my instrument needs some repairs done. I plan to take it to a repair shop this week, and my review will probably change drastically after the instrument is checked over by a repairman. I've heard a lot of positive things about Ridenour clarinets; this review is based on my instrument, which needs some repairs done before it will be able to play as well as Tom intended. Until it is updated, this review is probably very inaccurate!
Earlier this week, my dad and i bought a Ridenour RCP-575A A clarinet for me to use in my youth symphony. This is my review of the instrument, comparing it to my experience with Buffet and Leblanc. Let me start by saying that the review begins with all the cons (negative points) the instrument isn't a huge hunk of crap as i may initially lead you to believe, it's somewhat satisfying, and for the price is ok. I just don't think it's a profesional instrument, as advertised, and i believe there are A LOT of thinks tom could have improved on to make this instrument better.

As i opened the package, the first thing i notice is a very nice case. as I open it, i notice seems to be made of the same material as most backpack cases (buffet/Leblanc/Jean Babtiste). It has a very small storage space, and room for another (Bb) clarinet. The storage space is so small, i can only fit my swab and cork grease. I can't even fit my Selmer reed case in the storage space, so i have to use the outside pocket, which is supposed to be for sheet music. The space for mouthpiece is too small for a cap, so i had to stuff that in the small storage space. First problem: i can't fit my Bb in the double case. It's obviously intended for another Ridenour clarinet, strictly. Thank god this crappy case is made out if inferior material, so a couple weak bashes with a screw driver allows me to tightly fit in my precious Buffet clarinet. So tightly, i couldn't even close the case properly without having to push in the weakly designed top. overall, the case appears nice and light, but isn't as protective as other cases, and really won't work with anything other than another Ridenour Bb clarinet (unless you like bent keys)

I set this aside, and pick up the Ridenour A clarinet. As i assemble it, i notice the cork seem to be nice and tight, and seals quite well. The nickel keys are nice and polished and sturdy, and the plastic material is covered with some sort of cosmetic, used to make it look more like wood (i've seen this on other plastic clarinets before). It comes with two barrels; one short and one long. I assemble the whole thing, other than my Vandoren mouthpiece, which can barely fit onto either of the made-in-china barrels. After applying what felt like 3 pounds of cork grease, it finally fits onto the shorter barrel.
I play an open G, and am confronted with the first problem. On my Bb, and even Eb clarinets, i get a nice, pure, open G - "lahhh!!" and with this, i get more of a suffocated, dying, "DUEHHH". A pad check reveals no apparent leaks, so i guess it's just the design. The keys feel quite similar to my buffet, but they are very clunky, loud, and distracting. I play a few scales, and discovered about 5 to 8 stuffy notes in each register. The lower register is a little fuzzy, but very rich and full, as i would expect from an A.
And now, i'm confronted with the most annoying register key i have ever felt in my entire life. It's very thin and weak, if you so much as touch it by accident it will go up. It's designed with "Tom's ergonomic design", which allows the register key to bend around the thumb hole (see picture), which doesn't seem to have any difference at all compared to a traditional register key. Worst of all, the register key barely moves! i don't mean it's clunky, or it sticks, but the posts are so close to the wall of the clarinet, the pad barely moves away from the whole. the result is 3 very annoying, stuffy, annoying, unpleasant notes - Bb, B, and C. These are all ungodly annoying, but the Bb is so dead and stuffy it doesn't even really sound like a note, so much as a quite grunt.

As i scale up the instrument, i find more and more stuffy notes, and I come to the 3rd Bb, which sounds just as dead and stuffy as the other hundred-something notes on the instrument. The forked F#/B key is very airy, and leaks ALL THE TIME! The altissimo register came out surprisingly nice - just as well if not better than my Buffet clarinet. I decided to try putting my stock Buffet Bb barrel on the instrument to see how it affects it. It cleared up many of the lower notes slightly, and fixed the problem with the 3rd Bb. This means that the Grenadilla wood barrel works better than the crappy plastic barrel Tom supplied. WHY?!
If you go onto the web page for Ridenour's clarinets, he has a 4-page long article explaining why he thinks rubber works just as well as Grenadilla wood. Not only is the rubber barrel a pain in the neck, but the tone of the entire instrument sounds like it's lacking the full sound i get from my wooden instrument - the same problem i notice from my $200, plastic, student instrument. Clearly, this rubber material is not as good as Grenadilla wood! Tom claims this material is just as good as Grenadilla, but it's not! it's cheaper for a reason, tom, and not just because it's more scarce! Of course, he advertises this instrument as a "professional" model. I feel like i'm gonna be sick. Nothing could possible be farther from professional than this instrument. The keys are loud and clunky, it's full of dead notes and bad tones, the register key makes me wanna throw up, and the whole package is very, very unsatisfying.
Tom describes the product as a professional instrument, on par with the R13. So than how come my E13, described by Buffet as a STUDENT INSTRUMENT is 10 times better than what you advertise as a PROFESSIONAL INSTRUMENT?! this is far, far, far from professional. i feel like i'm playing one of those crappy chinese-made knock off instruments. I think i am! I'm pretty sure these instruments are made in china. I bet this instrument will fall apart by the end of the year. I still can't believe the false advertising - saying this is a professional instrument is like calling a Buffet Tosca a bottom-of-the-line student model. FALSE ADVERTISING! Almost everything about this instrument is unpleasant, uncomfortable, and dead-sounding. and worst of all, i'm stuck with it. I need an A clarinet, and everything else seems to be too expensive. I may end up selling it on eBay in the near future.
I admit the instrument has its pros - a very rich, full low register, a nice clear altissimo, and a nice resistance compared to my Bb. Plus, the rubber material, though not as full-sounding as Grenadilla, makes the instrument impervious to problems cause my climate and moisture changes. Overall i give it a 6 or 7/10 - if you really want a good, reliable A clarinet to go with your Bb, go somewhere else. Tom clearly doesn't know what the term "professional" means. Tom is trying to create an affordable professional instrument to compete with brands like Buffet, Leblanc, Yamaha, and Selmer Paris, but he clearly doesn't know what he's doing.
I'm always gonna stick with my Buffet clarinets, and even my ancient Leblanc Eb clarinet (an instrument nutorious for being difficult to play) feels and sounds alot better than this instrument. these Ridenour clarinets are probably more designed for affordability than professional use. Maybe his other models are better than this one, but i see it more as a step-up student model than a professional horn.
 

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Have you had the instrument checked and adjusted by a good clarinet technician? It sounds like it needs it. Maybe you should hold off on the review until you're sure the instrument is in good adjustment.
 

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Stop holding back and tell us how you really feel.

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Thanks for the review!
 

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Have you had the instrument checked and adjusted by a good clarinet technician? It sounds like it needs it. Maybe you should hold off on the review until you're sure the instrument is in good adjustment.
good point, i'll try to get it checked out this week. i'll come back with the result. i know a good repairman at Sam Ash, so i'll try there. Thanks!
 

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I am only guessing that this is your first brand new out of the box instrument.
The first thing you do after the initial test toot is take it to a reputable tech for a good going over.
I don't care who says that their instruments are completely adjusted and ready to play they never really are 'completely adjusted and ready to play'. Crap happens during shipping.
Only after this is done can you make an accurate evaluation on the quality and playability of any instrument.

If you really find the clarinet to be of inferior quality, ship the piece of crap back and ask for a refund.
 

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Have you tried contacting Tom? To get his take on it. At $1,195.00 I would be contacting him.
 

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I am only guessing that this is your first brand new out of the box instrument.
The first thing you do after the initial test toot is take it to a reputable tech for a good going over.
I don't care who says that their instruments are completely adjusted and ready to play they never really are 'completely adjusted and ready to play'. Crap happens during shipping.
Only after this is done can you make an accurate evaluation on the quality and playability of any instrument.

If you really find the clarinet to be of inferior quality, ship the piece of crap back and ask for a refund.
very, very true. I'm gonna try to get it looked at this week. i'm sure my review is gonna change A LOT after it's been looked over ;)
 

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Well. I read all your post, and I must say I'm somewhat put off by it. You certainly may have some valid points, but I have the impression you're selling them poorly. You demand a lot of professionalism from other people, but fail to deliver the same professionalism towards your audience.

I know that bickering about spelling and writing style is frowned upon, but nonetheless this is the first impression you make on the accidental reader, so do use your spell-checker before submitting a (heavy-weight) post like this. Else it's as if you baked a pound of mouthwatering pastry and then shipped it in an unsightly box with bumped edges and greasy spots all over. As if you delivered the recital of your life but did so in beachwear. I'm certainly not advocating boot licking, but a bit of style rarely hurts.

Anyhow, the first (and so far only) sensible thing to do would have been to contact the seller or the manufacturer and ask for advice. Any self-respecting merchant would try his/her best to settle the affair to either party's satisfaction. As much as I can understand your frustration, accusations about false advertising and "not knowing what they're doing" aren't going to help you very much at that stage.

If your cause then happens not to be resolved to your satisfaction, I'm all for posting your shopping experience. I've been in similar situations (not with Ridenour products) before but refrained from posting here or elsewhere simply because I stupidly omitted Step One - contact the seller or manufacturer.
 

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Yeah, the paragraphs make it much easier to read...


If I'm not mistaken, deals on professional used A clarinets are fairly common since there's not much demand for them.
I remember seeing a few here in the horns for sale section.
 

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Hmm

Maybe I should get rid of my Rid A eh?

It's not a great horn - definitely not a pro horn, but after some work on it, it will do the job. The stock barrel was useless, and the ergonomic key is not intended to satisfy clarinetists, but I think more for doublers. I contacted Tom to see if a standard key was available and he said no, and seemed offended. A good setup and a buffet barrel made it usable, though the intonation runs a bit on the wide side - top sharp, bottom flat - it can be managed by the player.

I recently put my Buffet A away for the winter. Not happy with the Ridenour as a player, but it will do as something to keep my nice instrument safe for the winter.

A person can do worse, but better clarinets are out there. Check your intonation closely before taking it to a rehearsal!!!!
 

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If you like Buffet and own an E-13, why did you buy a Ridenour clarinet to begin with? A used E-11 should have been available in your price range--I paid significantly less for one from Junkdude, and it was in great condition.
 

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"Mr. Ridenour clearly has no idea what he's doing..."

You are completely wrong about that. Tom has plenty of fans, me being one of them.

I bought an A clarinet from Tom several years ago. I found a few things on it that required adjusting. I contacted Tom and he said to send the horn back to him, and he would do the adjustments free of charge. When the horn came back, it played much better.

Don't like it the way it came? Call Tom. He'll be happy to help you out. He is a good man with an excellent reputation.

N. B.: I'd be careful before I write posts that denigrate a person's ability. It's much better to have a cooling-off period before you write a negative post about someone or their instruments. And I agree with the others, most if not all new horns need to be set-up before they're going to play well, including Leblancs and Buffets.
 

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If you like Buffet and own an E-13, why did you buy a Ridenour clarinet to begin with? A used E-11 should have been available in your price range--I paid significantly less for one from Junkdude, and it was in great condition.
i was going to get an E-11 in A on eBay, but the price was way too high, and everything else was either the same price or an even more expensive model. This was a way from me to get a good A clarinet without spending too much. for the price, i'm pretty satisfied.
 

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Um, NEW E-11 clarinets sell in around the $1200-1400 range. Used instruments can be had for $800-1000, from reputable dealers.
Honestly, your review seems unnecessarily harsh for someone who is "pretty satisfied."
 

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Um, NEW E-11 clarinets sell in around the $1200-1400 range. Used instruments can be had for $800-1000, from reputable dealers.
Honestly, your review seems unnecessarily harsh for someone who is "pretty satisfied."
first of all, $1200-1400 is way too expensive! we got the ridenour RCP-575A for about $600. also, my review was harsh because i was comparing it to my $1000 Buffet model. My buffet has always been my favorite instrument, and when i played the ridenour it just felt like the instrument was constantly fighting me. after about a week of practicing between my Bb, Eb, and A, i got more used to the new instrument, and i'm still adjusting to it now. the instrument in general is satisfying, but the condition it was sent to me in is what got me mad, especially since it was described as a "professional" model.
 

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Have you had the clarinet looked at yet?
 

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When shopping for a 'Professional' A clarinet in very good playing condition $12-1400 is reasonable.
I won't tell you what I paid for my Selmer Signature Bb 10 years ago but it was a HELL of a lot more than that.
I won't tell you what my vintage Selmer full boehm A in nearly unplayed condition would sell for, but it's a hell of a lot more than you paid for your Ridenour.
Both are truely Professional Level clarinets. You got what you paid for. A $600 rubber clarinet that needs to be set up.
"Professional" means nothing. I don't believe that you find the clarinet 'satisfying'.
 

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I don't believe that you find the clarinet 'satisfying'.
you're right about that :p i called it satisfying because 1. i got it at a decent price, and 2. i'm stuck with it, so i might as well learn to get used to its difficulties. on a side note, i'm looking into a nice Protec double case; my band director says it's a great brand, and for $99 it sounds nice, considering the Ridenour case is literally starting to fall apart.
 
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