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Hello again, long time no see! I hope you are all keeping safe during the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic and doing everything you can to stay sane in this challenging time. To distract you from the news, today I will be reviewing the brand-new Selmer Paris Claude Delangle Mouthpiece! The mouthpiece was provided by Conn-Selmer, and some of the video content was provided courtesy of Selmer Paris.

 

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Interesting stuff and I enjoyed your comparisons. Although you and most people will be coming from a classical player's perspective I will be interested to see whether jazz players take an interest and even start using it.

A couple of points that could perhaps be made in the commentary:
  1. The contribution to the cost of manufacture (and so the selling price) due to the use of two materials. To me, that is more significant than the "unboxing experience" or the player's name.
  2. The meaning of "bright" and "dark" tone that you are using and whether the people you asked to describe the tone of your recordings actually have the same interpretation.
I certainly slightly preferred the Claude Delangle sound and will be interested to try one out for jazz and sax quartet playing when the current lockdown is eased.

Thanks for the excellent video.

Rhys
 

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This is by far the best review of the Delangle mouthpiece that I've seen. And for the first time in your reviews, you seem to be seriously thinking of switching away from your S90.

What's the resistance like with the Delangle? I've heard elsewhere that it's higher than average. Perhaps that's a function of the larger tip opening.

You sound great on the Legere -- maybe better than ever.
 

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Interesting stuff and I enjoyed your comparisons. Although you and most people will be coming from a classical player's perspective I will be interested to see whether jazz players take an interest and even start using it.

A couple of points that could perhaps be made in the commentary:
  1. The contribution to the cost of manufacture (and so the selling price) due to the use of two materials. To me, that is more significant than the "unboxing experience" or the player's name.
  2. The meaning of "bright" and "dark" tone that you are using and whether the people you asked to describe the tone of your recordings actually have the same interpretation.
I certainly slightly preferred the Claude Delangle sound and will be interested to try one out for jazz and sax quartet playing when the current lockdown is eased.

Thanks for the excellent video.

Rhys
Hey Rhys, thanks for watching!
1- Yeah, in hindsight I could have expanded more on the manufacturing, one of those "coulda woulda shoulda" moments. I have talked to Florent Milhaud about this and primarily the mouthpiece's manufacturing expenses come from the extensive use of precise CNC machining, metal/plating material costs, and research. I do think there is a significant "Delangle tax" but, they can charge it since it's a totally unique offering in the market.
2- I could have been a little clearer here. When I shared samples to people, some said it sounded darker while others said it sounded brighter. I determined that, due to the way the overtones are differently represented, listeners who are 1st-overtone-sensitive will think the S90 was brighter, while other listeners who are upper-overtone-sensitive will think the Delangle sounds brighter. It just depends on what you can hear and how you listen.

I do think this piece has some crossover potential, given the right reed and approach.
 

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This is by far the best review of the Delangle mouthpiece that I've seen. And for the first time in your reviews, you seem to be seriously thinking of switching away from your S90.

What's the resistance like with the Delangle? I've heard elsewhere that it's higher than average. Perhaps that's a function of the larger tip opening.

You sound great on the Legere -- maybe better than ever.
It's certainly a serious contender. I hope they make an S90-metal-hybrid and call it the TMac or something, because I think the metal insert really does make an impact on at least player feedback, if not also audible tone quality.

The Delangle is a little more resistant than an S90 190, which in turn is a little more resistant than an S80 C*. Coming from the S90, it's not that big of an adjustment, but coming from an S80 would be a bit more significant I think. I didn't say this in the video, but the Conn-Selmer people recommended I go down a half reed strength, but I personally had no issues with my current reed.

High praise, many thanks!!
 

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An interesting metal/HR hybrid concept. Will probably see that copied in short order.
Agreed. It's a nice change of pace to see Selmer Paris leading innovation... a big turnaround from the early 2000s malaise period!
 

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Oh jeez, I didn't realize they changed the tip openings in 2013. Is there any way to tell whether you have a pre- or post-2013 S80 or S90, or are you just drawing straws if you buy used?

They have been using the same tip opening system since the 1940s AFAIK, who Earth thought changing it was a good idea? IMO if they wanted to offer smaller tip openings, they should have brought the B facing back and focused more advertising on B and C.
On a different note, I've always wondered where Selmer gets those 'table length' things. They can't possibly be referring to the facing break - I've never seen nor heard of any Selmer alto or tenor piece with a break anywhere near the length they put on those charts (not even their 1920s pieces)!

Back to the OP, Mr. Heanard, you just gave a fantastic theory of why some people hear different tones from the same setup. I personally find S80s to be curiously bright for classical pieces, so it's good to hear that maybe I'm not entirely a lunatic!
It's a shame this CD piece is so expensive, I'd love to try one. I don't play classical often enough to justify that kind of expenditure, and if I did I'd be more likely to choose the Morgan Classical for my own taste. That said, I was surprised once by my V5 and I love my Selmer soprano pieces, so I would happily try one of these if the opportunity presented itself.
 

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