[kohlert58]

recently bought a Revere baritone, some places on the internet mention Revere as a Beaugnier stencil but I don't know. Anyone got any further information on this saxophone? it is still quite leaky, will bring it to my repairguy later this week... curious what will be the result.

I've seen lefthand bellkeys before, but what struck me most is that the neckloop is wrapped counterclockwise (going from mouthpiece to bell), while most bari's I've seen are wrapped clockwise...

pix:
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010384.jpg
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010385.jpg
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010386.jpg
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010387.jpg
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010388.jpg
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010390.jpg
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010392.jpg
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010393.jpg
http://www.reijsbureau.nl/revere-barisax/P1010394.jpg

 

[warp x]

Bell key guards, LH pinky table and bell to body brace all look like Beaugnier.

 

[kohlert58]

thnx for very quick reply
I was told you're playing Leblanc System Rationale yourself nowadays? (I happen to be Dutch myself as well; Jochem told me about your Leblanc...)

 

[warp x]

Yes I do. It's my only saxophone, and a superb one at that.

 

[FremontSax]

A lot of similarities to my vito... as far as pinky key pad and key guards.

One major difference is yours has it lower note tone holes on the left side of the bell mine are on the right.

 

[Mark Fleming]

"Revere" with an engraved lyre is a Beaugnier model. "Revere Special" with art deco engraving is a Kohlert model. I have a Revere mouthpiece (white with a gold embossed lyre) that I really like, that's why I have done the research on who has used the Revere trademark (there were others and it's still being used today for saxophone accessories). That research got me interested in both Beaugnier and Kohlert for another reason. I did some Google research on which altos are most often claimed to be better than the Selmer Mark VI (and by people who sounded like they actually knew something about vintage horns). The top two contenders I found were the Leblanc System made by Beaugnier in the 1950's and the Kohlert 57 made in 1957. I wanted to try them.

I just bought a sweet Kohlert Revere Special alto with serial numbers in the mid-35,000's. That makes it a 1957 Kohlert. The Revere Special was only $108 plus shipping (and it came with a mouthpiece worth about $50). Try and find a horn engraved "Kohlert 57" that cheap. For my Leblanc System horn, I went with the Beaugnier made Vito 35, kind of a stencil of the Leblanc Paris horn. I guess I'm just a cheapo stencil guy.

I'm not sure stencil is the right term for some of these horns. The Beaugnier factory fabricated almost exclusively for Leblanc, and it's Revere horns didn't seem to be made for any particular different vendor. Same with the Kohlert Revere Special. The Revere Special differs from the Kohlert 57 in that it has nickel-plated keys, but doesn't appear to have been stenciled for any certain vendor or market. The Kohlert serial numbers make it look like a lot of Kohlert 57s and 58's were produced, but then there's no way of knowing how many of those serial numbers were actually the identical Revere Specials or some other trade name for the same horn. Both Reveres seem to be a different trade name for the manufacturer's standard model and that's not what most people think of as stencils.

Mark

 

[Mark Fleming]

I'm going to revise my prior post a little, now that I just bought a 1957 Kohlert in it's original case. The logo on the case is "Revere" with a lyre in the background. There is no lyre engraved on the horn (as with the Beaugnier "Revere" horns I've seen). The Kohlert just says "Revere" and underneath "-SPECIAL-" with the same angular deco style engraving as on the "Kohlert 57" model. So it seems that Kohlert did use the lyre in association with the Reveres that it produced, but not on the horn. So now I'm thinking that my Revere mouthpiece (with a lyre) could be from a Kohlert.

 

[kohlert58]

thnx for that interesting piece of background research. Coincidentally, my other bari happens to be a Kohlert (as my moniker probably already gave away).

The Revere came back from the repair guy and plays ok again, smooth action, clearly a well built sax, although I like my old Kohlert better. Still trying to figure out the mouthpiece-reed combination that works best for me.