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Hello everyone,

Just wondering if anyone is using the Lebayle LRII metal tenor and what reed goes well with it. I have tried many brands/thicknesses, the only one that worked was the Java Red and green to a certain extent.
All others have been dead or squeaky.. Not sure if there's something wrong with the MPC itself, but the JAVA red worked perfectly.. Im sticking with the latter for now just wondering if anyone had similar experience/outcome and has some recommendations.

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Have used Select Jazz both filed and unfiled. Also rico orange box. What lig are you using? For some reason, I remember changing ligatures many times with this mouthpiece before settling on the FL ultimate lig.
 

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I have tried many ligatures; Reg otto link lig, BG metal that came with it, selmer 404, reg berg larsen lig.. The best one that worked for me was the Berg larsen lig, perfect fit and it opened the sound.. I was wondering about getting the FL ultimate lig as it worked very well with my HR pieces however, I thought even the Small size is big for the Lebayle LRII metal. It is advertised to fit a STM otto link and the latter is bigger than the LRII..
I tried the SJ filed but did not work as the Java red, maybe I need to go down in tip size..
Btw what was the size of your FL ultimate lig that fit the lebayle?
 

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Sorry, I looked at the lig closely and couldn't find any size indicator. The ligature also fits a newer metal link as the rib on the top of the piece slides perfectly between the two top parallel tubes of the lig if you know what I mean. Using a Silverstein on the link as the tightening knob stapes? Straddles said rib. However that same Silverstein lig is to small for the metal LRII so ....? This fitting process could cause anyone trepidation in buying any lig.
 

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Yea if its fitting the newer link, maybe its a small size for tenor.. Maybe I'll try that later on.. and btw did you try any other mpcs that had similar tonal qualities as the Lebayle LRII (darkish tone with projection/edge)?
Anw thanks for the input man
 

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Yea I have ~10 mpcs and its the only one that's extremely selective on reeds.. Don't know if a reface or a touch up could help without altering the tone..
 

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Yea I have ~10 mpcs and its the only one that's extremely selective on reeds.. Don't know if a reface or a touch up could help without altering the tone..
I would say, have it checked by a good refacer. The work of Lebayle is very sluggish on his standard mouthpieces. I am sure he makes great work on his custom pieces. My main piece is a HR Lebayle LRIII. The worst work I ever have seen. Table with marks from tooling and crooks. Facing and side rails so uneven that you could see it without measuring it. And a none existing tip rail. Actually it was unplayable. Sent it to a refacer (he was shocked too). Now I love it. ;-) But then again, it is not a true Lebayle anymore....
 

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Reface! I've owned few metal Lebayles for tenor. Great sounding pieces but the facing needs adjustments in many cases. Mojo corrected my Lebayle LR mouthpiece and after that no reed-pickyness anymore!

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I have had refacers send Lebayle pieces back to me refusing to work on them because they were so whacked. The designs look good, the finish work is horrible.
 

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I have had refacers send Lebayle pieces back to me refusing to work on them because they were so whacked. The designs look good, the finish work is horrible.
Surely all of the top pros that play Lebayle pieces aren't playing on pieces with horrible facings. Are they?
 

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Surely all of the top pros that play Lebayle pieces aren't playing on pieces with horrible facings. Are they?
I think that those players may have Fred do precise custom work. I've tried about 4 or 5 from WW&BW, Weiner, and a few off of E-bay, they were unplayable for me. I'm sure there are some mouthpiece refacers on SOTW that have experience with them.
 

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Surely all of the top pros that play Lebayle pieces aren't playing on pieces with horrible facings. Are they?
I think that those players may have Fred do precise custom work. I've tried about 4 or 5 from WW&BW, Weiner, and a few off of E-bay, they were unplayable for me. I'm sure there are some mouthpiece refacers on SOTW that have experience with them.
 

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Surely all of the top pros that play Lebayle pieces aren't playing on pieces with horrible facings. Are they?
Mellissa Aldana, Tivon Pennicott, Chad Lefkowitz Brown and Seamus Blake are all playing custom made pieces, as far as I know, that has been tested and reworked on. I am quite sure that you can find pros that play non-custom made Lebayle pieces. But you can't ignore the fact that Lebayles have a bad reputation when it comes to quality control. Just do a search here. Again, there are of course also are a lot of good non custom made Lebayles I am sure. If it plays for you, then it is fine.
 

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Yea if its fitting the newer link, maybe its a small size for tenor.. Maybe I'll try that later on.. and btw did you try any other mpcs that had similar tonal qualities as the Lebayle LRII (darkish tone with projection/edge)?
Anw thanks for the input man
The Lebayle has a sound all its own. I found that my soprano FL works also, but the metal holder is much smaller as is the tubing. I recollect calling FL thinking I just wanted to talk to a rep about buying alternate plates and FL answered and we had a nice conversation. A tenor lig was the answer. Silverstein made a lig that fits both of my soprano pieces. At that time you download their grid pattern and take two or three photo views of the mpc. and email them. They like FL provided excellent customer service.
 

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Reface! I've owned few metal Lebayles for tenor. Great sounding pieces but the facing needs adjustments in many cases. Mojo corrected my Lebayle LR mouthpiece and after that no reed-pickyness anymore!

-TH
My problems with reface are:
- Cost (I checked a bit and apparently the cost for a reface of a metal mouthpiece is around 150$ (which IMO is a bit expensive but I guess supply and demand has a factor) + I need to pay around 45$ for shipping back and forth, I don't think anyone in my country does mpc reface)
- Expectation (I really have zero experience in this subject, besides trying to reface few plastic mpcs so I have no idea what to expect)
- Tone (right now and after buying 6-7 mpcs including a stm and a metal berg, I'm really feeling connected with the lebayle sound so I'm bit concerned that the tone might change after a reface - I really don't want risking losing this setup)

I got my lebayle for relatively cheap as a used MPC, but I think anyone will be extremely disappointed if he payed the full price ~500$ and needs then to send it for a reface. I think I'm going to play on it for a while and then maybe look more into sending it for a reface. I am trying different reeds and different ligs and so far JAVA red is working good on it.

Does anyone know a relatively affordable refacer with very good quality (I understand that you get what you pay for but I'm sure there are people who charges more for not necessarily better work). I am thinking at some point sending my 3 metal MPCS for a reface.

Anw thanks alot for the input guys, this forum has been really helpful regarding any sax related issue.
 

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But then again, it is not a true Lebayle anymore....
haha true, that's the risk that I prefer not to take.. It might come back with a better tone but I really don't wana risk it especially that I have no experience in these stuff, I have been searching for a MPC that works for me for a while now..
 

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Uh... I'm a bit puzzled by now.

1) You think that a reface is too expensive, so you're planning to reface 3 metal mouthpieces.
2) You don't know what to expect from a reface, so -again- you are thinking about refacing all your metal mouthpieces, regardless if needed or not.
3) You feel very connected to the sound you get from your Lebayle (that needs a reface) so you opened another thread to look for a substitute.
4) You're not willing to take the risk to reface your Lebayle because you fear that it would not has the same sound. So you prefer to change the mouthpiece althogether, in order to be really sure to change your tone.
5) On a side note: buying a new mouthpiece would be much more expensive than refacing your Lebayle (that, at this point, I'm inclined to consider useless in the state it is)

Do yourself a favour and send it to a good refacer in your area (I don't know where you are from).
 

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Uh... I'm a bit puzzled by now.

1) You think that a reface is too expensive, so you're planning to reface 3 metal mouthpieces.
2) You don't know what to expect from a reface, so -again- you are thinking about refacing all your metal mouthpieces, regardless if needed or not.
3) You feel very connected to the sound you get from your Lebayle (that needs a reface) so you opened another thread to look for a substitute.
4) You're not willing to take the risk to reface your Lebayle because you fear that it would not has the same sound. So you prefer to change the mouthpiece althogether, in order to be really sure to change your tone.
5) On a side note: buying a new mouthpiece would be much more expensive than refacing your Lebayle (that, at this point, I'm inclined to consider useless in the state it is)

Do yourself a favour and send it to a good refacer in your area (I don't know where you are from).
Alright, I am not sure where this sarcasm(hostility?) comes from.. I will try to explain myself because to a certain yes I'm bit confused about these stuff and I don't have enough experience that's why I do post in these forums to get help from other experienced members. However, I do think that most of your comments are coming from a judgmental base, I mean I did say some things that could translate into your statements, but one you don't know the whole story and two even if you do you literally took the extreme of anything I said in order to make a clear contrast.

So I'm sorry if I got you puzzled, here is my explanation (also, english is my third language so alot of things are lost in translation or at least misunderstood):

1) You think that a reface is too expensive, so you're planning to reface 3 metal mouthpieces.
I do think that reface is expensive, I did not say "too" expensive and there is a difference. I also mentioned that I need to pay around 45$ to send the mouthpiece and I don't know what to expect so that's why I prefer not doing it for my current setup (lebayle LRII) It is a metal mpc so it's goin to cost me around 220$ and I am not sure of the outcome so I prefer not to do it, let's say a local reface was around 80$, I might have send this piece for a slight touch-up or a check-up at least. However, lately I've been into metal mouthpieces, I have three others that I really feel they have the potential to be great (they lack in one way or another but overall they are very good mpcs) I have a berg 110/2 and otto stm 7* and a third unknown brand so what I said was "at some point" (aka not at the current moment) I might send my 3 metal mpcs for a reface, cz in that case maybe I'll get a better price having three metal mpcs refaced at the same time and they will share shipping charges which is a major cost for me around 50-60$ back and forth. And when I said at some point, I implicitly implied that when the factors I mentioned (cost, expectation, tone) that preventing me from refacing my lebayle, will eventually get a bit clearer so then I might for it, especially that most of the members here recommended. So I do know it is a "necessary" step but right now it feels too loose.

2) You don't know what to expect from a reface, so -again- you are thinking about refacing all your metal mouthpieces, regardless if needed or not.
Answer 1 could somehow answer your puzzlement regarding point 2 but I'll add on it. Right now my main piece is Lebayle LRII, I love the tone -> the performance is merely acceptable -> I don't have related experience in refacing -> I have no idea what to expect -> I prefer not risking it for now.

I have other metal MPCs which I think they have really good potential of becoming my main piece -> I will at some point send them of a reface
They are not my main piece so I could afford more risk on them and I will get to know more the results of a reface and in that case maybe I'll resend my lebayle after acquiring a bit of exp.

3) You feel very connected to the sound you get from your Lebayle (that needs a reface) so you opened another thread to look for a substitute.
I am not sure why you are so critical/sarcastic about my statements, you could translate any phrase/statement you read into a conflicted opinion if you want to.
Anw the explanation again for your puzzlement for number 3 is: *drum roll*
I feel connected to the Lebayle -> It has some performance issues -> I am considering all my options -> might send it for a reface or look for some other mpcs that have similar tonal qualities and maybe better performance.
and please note when I post any question about any subject it doesn't mean that I am going for it for sure. So for now I have posted regarding reeds, reface, and substitution for the lebayle. It does not mean that after I receive some posts I am going to change my reeds, send the lebayle for a reface, and buy another substitute for the lebayle. It is a forum after all where people share their experiences which will help other inexperienced members..

4) You're not willing to take the risk to reface your Lebayle because you fear that it would not has the same sound. So you prefer to change the mouthpiece althogether, in order to be really sure to change your tone.
Again, with all due respect, your comment is too critical/sarcastic/judgmental but I will try my best to solve your "real" puzzlement: (the answer is already in my previous answers but I will summarize it):
I love the SOUND of the lebayle -> I don't want to risk that for a performance adjustment by a reface, maybe my point is not valid but I don't know yet if a performance adjustment could alter the tone -> I am asking for opinions regarding MPCs that has similar tonal qualities (it DOES NOT mean that I am going to abandon my lebayle and go straight for another mpc) but maybe in the MPCs market there are some mpcs which has very similar/better design to the lebayle with better performance and are selling frequently here or on ebay for an affordable price, I could try those.
Right now, I have a mpc that is giving me a good sound to my ears, I don't want to risk that especially that I tried too many mpcs to get here. If I buy, a suggested similar mpcs, it might work or not but anw I am not losing anything special (maybe the cost but I can sell it back) because at the moment I don't have it and usually when I buy a new mpc I don't throw all my current ones, I keep them in case the new one did not work.

5) On a side note: buying a new mouthpiece would be much more expensive than refacing your Lebayle (that, at this point, I'm inclined to consider useless in the state it is)
Again, general/critical comment. No buying a new mouthpiece would not be much more expensive than refacing my Lebayle (unless by new you mean brand new, I defined new as in new to me).
A Lebayle reface will cost me ~150 + 50-60$ = ~200$. I bought all my mpcs for less than that, and some have a brand new price over 450$. I am sure that good hand refaced brand new mpcs (kulm, phil, sakshama...) are more expensive than refacing the lebayle. But please take into consideration (which was mentioned in my original post) I only buy used mpcs at affordable prices because I can't try them before and there is a high chance that I won't be using them and I like to try different brands, different thicknesses. So in many cases refacing my lebayle will be more expensive than buying a new mpc (which might or might not work but at the same time a reface is the same)
Your statement is a very good example how anyone can take any statement and fill the gaps as he wishes. For example:
"buying a new mouthpiece would be much more expensive than refacing your Lebayle" -> Ok a yamaha 4c is 30$ and a reface is 200$ including s/h, how is that possible so it could translate to no that is wrong you don't know anything related to mpcs or refacing.
however, I do get the point that you probably meant getting a custom or a hand refaced mouthpiece that should compare or be better than my lebayle LRII and considering that the stock price for a lebayle is ~500$ so I should expect paying around that number (400-600$) for a decent mpc which is more than getting a reface hence the latter is the better option.


Do yourself a favour and send it to a good refacer in your area (I don't know where you are from)
Thanks for your suggestion! I am a Lebanese living in Dubai, there are not a single refacer in the whole middle east.

As a final note; when anyone posts anything about anything, he cannot (due to practicality and time limitation and in some cases languages) state every single thought he is having at the moment and past thoughts which have led to his own inquiry. So you will expect to find some gaps, maybe a little bit of contrast and conflicting ideas here and there, but the whole idea should go through. Now if my two posts are really puzzling then I am really sorry about that (for me they're not, but I guess I can't judge my own posts, they will always seem logical in my head whatever they were) so only other forum members could judge upon that, but again if I said too many conflicting stuff I'm sorry. If you generally speaking got the main point/question behind my posts and intentionally filled up the gap in order to create this puzzlement to your own self (in the rare case that you are really puzzled by my posts) then with all due respect, you have issues.
 

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No hostility here: I care about your problem just for the tiny amount that let me want to help you. I got a bunch of good refaced moutphieces on my own and I alredy got rid of a couple of metal Lebayles that were poor players.

Some sarcasm, yes, because you are clearly overthinking your problem throwing in the discussion a number of contraddicting arguments. A reface won't morph your moutphiece in something different: your Lebayle will sound the same. You will just get rid of the reed-pickiness (unless you want it to be heavily modified, but that's not something that a refacer will do on his own).

Kay Siebold charges 95€ for a refacing on a metal mouthpiece. And he's a great guy with a lot of talent. Shipping a mouthpiece to and fro should be around 15€-20€. I think that's a fair amount of money to spend on a mouthpiece you already love.

But that's just the same answer that you got from JJ, -TH and Berg-man in this thread. The other replies were not directly relevant to your question.
So yes: I may have some issues, but you have yours, in comprehending what's written. Or you can just be the kind of person that asks a question again and again just waiting to someone who gives the answer you're expecting to get.
 
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