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I've been revising my hardware a little, have sold some stuff out of the accumulated collection, and am looking for some recommendations.
For my baritone, I'm playing a well worn Conn 12M saxophone.
Mouthpieces I have and like:
Otto Link Tone Edge (hard rubber) 7.
Guy Hawkins (metal) 7.
Both are .110

I had a Woodwind Educator, a great big wide open chamber hunk of good hard rubber, but with was dull, stuffy, and lifeless sound and response. Not what I want. I like the Selmer mouthpieces on alto and tenor, and what I used years ago on bari in college. C* is definitely too close for me on baritone, and I've tried a buddy's Soloist F that works great. Various charts measure that from .093 to .100.

Short list of pieces I would like to try on my horn:
Selmer S80 in E, F, or G (I expect the sound to be right, but possibly some intonation issues)
Fobes Nova (should match the horn, but possibly too close for my taste)

So, recommendations on where to start for a "Classical that can Jazz" mouthpiece, preferably hard rubber? Any experiences with the Fobes Nova?
 

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I have two 12Ms. I've found that the best mouthpieces for them are, in vintage, Otto Link STM (great for ballads), and in modern, PPT Hooligan (great for raunchy material, but also can be scaled back for ballads).
 

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Also maybe try one of the VD V-5 with Eric Grieffenhagen's double-chamber and reface. I think mine's a .115, might work well intonation-wise and is a fine mouthpiece, for me on a '54 Martin Comm III which also requires large chambers. I have a Guy Hawkins that I've always liked but doesn't intonate well on the Martin.
 

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Hi guys ! I'm looking for a new bari mouthpiece. I'm aiming to a really deep sound, sweet like a dream, but raucus as an old grumpy man. It's better if it's a cheap mouthpiece, even used. Any advice?
Thank you !
 

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I chose a V16 to solve my baritone mpc problems.

Here are some places to read up on other folks' suggestions from the FAQ section:

"Mouthpiece Suggestions to replace current Bari mouthpiece:

Loud Classical: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=91297
Punchy: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=100211
Under $100: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=75735
For Beginner: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=109651
Upgrade: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=63210
Rock 'n' Roll: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=61992
Warm Vintage: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=49491
For Quartet: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=50699
Blues: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=34901
Tuba sound: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=14350
For School: https://forum.saxontheweb.net/showthread.php?t=3418

NOTE- Mouthpiece choice should not be influenced by horn shape, brand or colour, unless there are intonation problems (possibly due to a really modern mouthpiece on a really old horn)."
 

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Hi, SOTW!

I've been revising my hardware a little, have sold some stuff out of the accumulated collection, and am looking for some recommendations.
For my baritone, I'm playing a well worn Conn 12M saxophone.
Mouthpieces I have and like:
Otto Link Tone Edge (hard rubber) 7.
Guy Hawkins (metal) 7.
Both are .110

I had a Woodwind Educator, a great big wide open chamber hunk of good hard rubber, but with was dull, stuffy, and lifeless sound and response. Not what I want. I like the Selmer mouthpieces on alto and tenor, and what I used years ago on bari in college. C* is definitely too close for me on baritone, and I've tried a buddy's Soloist F that works great. Various charts measure that from .093 to .100.

Short list of pieces I would like to try on my horn:
Selmer S80 in E, F, or G (I expect the sound to be right, but possibly some intonation issues)
Fobes Nova (should match the horn, but possibly too close for my taste)

So, recommendations on where to start for a "Classical that can Jazz" mouthpiece, preferably hard rubber? Any experiences with the Fobes Nova?
Contact Erik Greifenhagen.
You’ll likely run into pitch problems on a 12m with many mouthpieces you mention.
The V5 or V16 are both great but will tune sharp. Most likely you’ll need something with a double chamber
 

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I have two 12Ms. I've found that the best mouthpieces for them are, in vintage, Otto Link STM (great for ballads), and in modern, PPT Hooligan (great for raunchy material, but also can be scaled back for ballads).
If I can be excused for saying so, the Hooligan's more refined sister (the Signature) may be more appropriate in this case. Still can roar, but better for the classic stuff. It can do classical and jazz (being based off of one the best ever vintage Otto Link slants)
 

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Can't speak to how it may or may not work with your particular horn, but I'd second the Vandoren v16 line. Versatile and easy to play...plus you can order it from WWBW and return it if it's not your thing.
 

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I'm a big fan of hard rubber Berg Larsens, the V16 is based on a Berg design.
I would have gone with the berg, except that I was worried about quality control. Vandoren supposedly worked off the best bari bergs, and they have good reliability, so I went that way. Very good decision for me.
 

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Contact Erik Greifenhagen.
You’ll likely run into pitch problems on a 12m with many mouthpieces you mention.
The V5 or V16 are both great but will tune sharp. Most likely you’ll need something with a double chamber

This has been the case for me also. I like the V16 on my low A bari, but it plays sharp for me on my old Conn. Although it has been pointed out to me several times that some people can play anything on some Conns.

OP wants a "classical that can jazz" mouthpiece, so I'm not sure what that is. The Tone Edge 7 you (the OP) have is pretty close to that ideal, isn't it? Otherwise, maybe one of the new Morgans? They are making a classical bari piece.
 

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This has been the case for me also. I like the V16 on my low A bari, but it plays sharp for me on my old Conn. Although it has been pointed out to me several times that some people can play anything on some Conns.

OP wants a "classical that can jazz" mouthpiece, so I'm not sure what that is. The Tone Edge 7 you (the OP) have is pretty close to that ideal, isn't it? Otherwise, maybe one of the new Morgans? They are making a classical bari piece.
I should have mentioned that the V16 works best on my modern Low A.
I got other mpcs for my split bell that are easier to keep in tune --- larger chambers ---
My bad, as they say in the parlance of our times.
 

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I remember back in the day when Theo Wanne was in Philly and he wouldn't work on the Yanagisawa hard rubber baritone pieces because he thought they were perfect as-is...dont know if that's still his philosophy but I remember hearing that from several players. Might be a cheap alternative to check out.

- Saxaholic
 

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I remember back in the day when Theo Wanne was in Philly and he wouldn't work on the Yanagisawa hard rubber baritone pieces because he thought they were perfect as-is...dont know if that's still his philosophy but I remember hearing that from several players. Might be a cheap alternative to check out.

- Saxaholic
Phil Barone has also recommended the HR Yanagisawa mouthpieces.
 

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The Morgan Company just started producing several new model baritone mouthpieces. Classical, Double Chamber, Florida and Indiana Models. All designed by Erik Greiffenhagen and all should work well with a Conn. They are listed at www.junkdude.com and should be on the Morgan website in the next week. These are all hard rubber pieces and all handcrafted by the Morgan Craftsmen (Erik, Brian Powell, and John MacQueen). Of course, the XL GM Model will also work well on a Conn. It is made from the same mold that likely made Gerry Mulligan's mouthpiece...he also played Conn Baritones for much of his career.
 

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I remember back in the day when Theo Wanne was in Philly and he wouldn't work on the Yanagisawa hard rubber baritone pieces because he thought they were perfect as-is...dont know if that's still his philosophy but I remember hearing that from several players. Might be a cheap alternative to check out.

- Saxaholic
I had a 5 that came with my Yani bari, but had it opened and scooped out by E.G. to play on my Conn. Still have it, and it's very nice. Looks like now Yanagisawa is changing their rubber mouthpiece to a classical design with only two facings available.

https://www.kesslerandsons.com/product/yanagisawa-classical-bari-sax-mouthpiece/
 

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The Yanis are nice as-is from the factory. If you are going to customize it like that I would start with maybe a Link Tone Edge or some other blank that is closer to what you want.
 

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The Morgan Company just started producing several new model baritone mouthpieces. Classical, Double Chamber, Florida and Indiana Models. All designed by Erik Greiffenhagen and all should work well with a Conn. They are listed at www.junkdude.com and should be on the Morgan website in the next week. These are all hard rubber pieces and all handcrafted by the Morgan Craftsmen (Erik, Brian Powell, and John MacQueen). Of course, the XL GM Model will also work well on a Conn. It is made from the same mold that likely made Gerry Mulligan's mouthpiece...he also played Conn Baritones for much of his career.
I just tried one of these new Morgan Indiana mouthpieces. VERY VERY good mouthpieces. Quite similar to what I’ve already had Erik make me but the quality is extremely high.
 
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