[JohnGalt]

I dig Neff's idea of a "new fake book" consisting of tunes that are "play-worthy" ... how about a list of tunes that you could simply rip right out of the realbook and never miss? I'll start:
Anything by Carla Bley, Steve Swallow, Michael Gibbs, Gary Burton or Pat matheny. (Sorry early seventies Berklee faculty!)
Good tunes but hardly standards ...

 

[hgiles]

Hell, 2/3rds of them I have never even heard of!

 

[swperry1]

Hell, 2/3rds of them I havenever even heard of!

I was thinking the same thing!

 

[whaler]

The others I agree with but I like Steve Swallow's "Falling Grace" and "Eiderdown". Pat Metheny ruined a lot of Brecker recordings for me.

 

[Phil1]

I dig Neff's idea of a "new fake book" consisting of tunes that are "play-worthy" ... how about a list of tunes that you could simply rip right out of the realbook and never miss? I'll start:
Anything by Carla Bley, Steve Swallow, Michael Gibbs, Gary Burton or Pat matheny. (Sorry early seventies Berklee faculty!)
Good tunes but hardly standards ...

And I thought I was the only one that hated those tunes.

They belong in a Surreal Book instead.

On a tangent Nardis is Sidran spelled backwards and Airegin is Nigeria.

A Miles clone hated me when I told him that about Nardis. He was saying it just can't be and really went ballistic when I told him the tune was named after Ben Sidran. Of course I don't know who Miles named it after but I love to burst bubbles.

And you can imagine what happened when I told him Miles didn't write Four, Tune Up, or Blue In Green.

Oh and by the way Impressions and So What have different chord changes.

Don't you just love guys that insist on playing something only like it is in the Real Book. Even if it's wrong.

And don't you love guys that say that so and so really played it like this.

Even though it would be better for the band to use the Real Book version so everyone is literally on the same page.

Now back to the topic. Don't even start on the Sixth Edition.

And yes I hate at least a fourth of tunes in the Real books. Maybe more I never counted them.

 

[guido]

No Nardis was written way before Ben Sidran was old enough to know Miles (he was 15 at the time). Miles wrote it for the "Portrait of Cannonball" session it first apeared on.

 

[JohnGalt]

What are the differences in chord changes in Impressions/So What? (other than the intro)

 

[Phil1]

No Nardis was written way before Ben Sidran was old enough to know Miles (he was 15 at the time). Miles wrote it for the "Portrait of Cannonball" session it first apeared on.

Doesn't matter, I just like pushing the Miles clone's buttons.

Bill Evans' cousin told me Miles took " Blue In Green " from him as payment for joining the band. That song has Bill Evans all over it by the way.

You gotta watch those name bandleaders.

Now as for the naysayers that follow everything I post, Save your energy.

I really don't care to argue anymore so whatever you say I'll roll with that. Got it?

And I think Cleanhead Vinson told me he wrote " Four " and " Tune UP ".

It's been so long I can't remember if he told me that night or if I heard that later.

I'm not so sure Miles couldn't know Ben then.

Tony Williams played with Miles when he was 17.

And a virtuoso friend of mine made 2 albums with Ron Carter when he was around 15.

So I wouldn't let age alone preclude that from happening.

And just like I told the Miles clone.

I don't care what you say " Nardis " is still " Sidran " spelled backwards.

 

[Phil1]

What are the differences in chord changes in Impressions/So What? (other than the intro)

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[Bloo Dog]

Hell, 2/3rds of them I have never even heard of!

This is the problem with standards. What was a "standard" and often-played (either commercially or in an academic setting) forty years ago, has fallen out of favor.

A lot of tunes aren't even available anymore as record companies chose not to remaster old vinyls to CD.

My original Berkley fake book has Zappa's "Peaches en Regalia". Aside from my own group in the '70's, I've never heard anyone play it since.

 

[swperry1]

This is the problem with standards. What was a "standard" and often-played (either commercially or in an academic setting) forty years ago, has fallen out of favor.

A lot of tunes aren't even available anymore as record companies chose not to remaster old vinyls to CD.

My original Berkley fake book has Zappa's "Peaches en Regalia". Aside from my own group in the '70's, I've never heard anyone play it since.

Actually, it seems to me that most of the tunes from 30-40 years ago (70's and 80's) are the ones I haven't heard of, and the ones other earlier posters have referred to. The real Standards are just fine, and definitely still relevant.

 

[David Zakarian]

inner urge, and pretty much anything by Joe henderson besides record-a-me.

 

[hakukani]

No Nardis was written way before Ben Sidran was old enough to know Miles (he was 15 at the time). Miles wrote it for the "Portrait of Cannonball" session it first apeared on.

I heard that it was named Nardis because of a time when Evans was requested to play some BS tune and he replied, in front of Miles, that he 'didn't play that crap, I'm an artist". Miles, hearing this, took this to mean that Bill was 'a nardis'.

Whether true or not, I think its a much better anecdote.

 

[Phil1]

I heard that it was named Nardis because of a time when Evans was requested to play some BS tune and he replied, in front of Miles, that he 'didn't play that crap, I'm an artist". Miles, hearing this, took this to mean that Bill was 'a nardis'.

Whether true or not, I think its a much better anecdote.

Pretty cool.

It's still " Sidran " spelled backwards.

 

[jrvinson45]

Better a nardis than a nasole.

 

[SaxTMan]

inner urge, and pretty much anything by Joe henderson besides record-a-me.

woow...

 

[Phil1]

Better a nardis than a nasole.

It's still elosan spelled backwards.

 

[Dr G]

I really don't care to argue anymore so whatever you say I'll roll with that. Got it?

You lie like a rug.

 

[Phil1]

inner urge, and pretty much anything by Joe henderson besides record-a-me.

What about " Black Narcissus " ?

I really think not only the tune but Joe's playing on it is some of the best tenor ever.

And I wish " Canyon Lady " was in the Real Book.

 

[SaxTMan]

What about " Black Narcissus " ?

I really think not only the tune but Joe's playing on it is some of the best tenor ever.

And I wish " Canyon Lady " was in the Real Book.

but it is abut tunes no one likes...joe henderson has great tunes...almost every tune