[selmertenor3]

I think that Performance can be a nice option on this price range, but in my opinion the best instrument in this price range is a Yani WO1, or a professional second hand saxophone.

 

[asd123]

I’ve also got myself a Rampone Performance after a long head to head testing with an R1. So If other’s have questions, I might be able to answer too, or take photos for the curious.

 

[wcicola]

Would definitely be interested in any information or photos you'd be able to provide. What made you choose the Performance over the R1?

 

[asd123]

Would definitely be interested in any information or photos you'd be able to provide. What made you choose the Performance over the R1?

What kinda pictures? Of What? (Not familiar with construction or what to look for specifically)

I choose the Performance, because this is my first Pro Horn and I wanted something that wouldn’t leave me wanting another tenor, so something that could do everything, all styles. So something in the lines of a Jack of all trades master of none.

I loved the spread sound of the R1 (silver plated) and how it felt, but even with technique, mouthpiece and reed changes, I couldn’t get a clean focused dark sound. While with the performance even though it had a more focused and clean sound, changing reeds and mouthpieces I could get a more spread sound out of it, something feeling more like the R1, (of course still not like that, but something that suffice). All the while the performance having a much better (easier) overall intonation (due to the R1 having the famous huge bore, giving you much more flexibility, but you also need to be more careful with your tongue and throat setting), especially high over High G and the palm keys. Getting stable and clean altissimo and overtones were also easier.

So even though my heart wanted the R1, my mind chose the Performance, but at least I have a good excuse to get a Two Voices Tenor later On 😂

 

[Tzadik]

R1 or R1 Jazz?

 

[asd123]

R1 or R1 Jazz?

I assume the R1 Jazz, because they were both new horns acquired directly from Rampone in the past couple of years.

 

[ngtamphuong]

Yet another Selmer copy inside out from some Chinese/Taiwanese factories, stamped with R&C logo. Why R&C has to choose this way?

 

[ROC]

Yet another Selmer copy inside out from some Chinese/Taiwanese factories, stamped with R&C logo. Why R&C has to choose this way?

I won’t address your assertion re origin and manufacture, but I can answer your question.

The world of saxophone players existing and emerging is a finite number giving companies like R&C their Total Addressable Market (TAM).

The TAM is broken up into price points, among other things.

If your least expensive tenor is, say, 8K, your potential customer base is smaller than if you start at 2k and go all the way up to whatever.

Additionally, selling cheaper horns helps fund the R&D on better horns, helps you iterate at speed, as well as exposing more folks to your brand and generating loyalty among younger players who may one day buy a more expensive horn.

To be brutal, the only folks who rail against companies expanding and diversifying their range and offering things at various price points are those that either don’t know or don’t care about what it takes to survive and grow in business.

 

[rhysonsax]

Not sure I learned very much additional information from this video but it is nice to see and hear the R&C Performance tenor.

Rhys

 

[J-Moen]

The world of saxophone players existing and emerging is a finite number giving companies like R&C their Total Addressable Market (TAM).

The TAM is broken up into price points, among other things.

If your least expensive tenor is, say, 8K, your potential customer base is smaller than if you start at 2k and go all the way up to whatever.

Additionally, selling cheaper horns helps fund the R&D on better horns, helps you iterate at speed, as well as exposing more folks to your brand and generating loyalty among younger players who may one day buy a more expensive horn.

Worked for Porsche! Well put btw

 

[ngtamphuong]

I have no comments on R&C selling more affordable horns (who doesn't love that?) or if they need to survive and grow their business (good for them!). But they could definitely add their very own touches in this horn beside the logo on the bell and the neck. That'd make this horn more special, more distinctive, more R&C, wouldn't it?

 

[asd123]

I have no comments on R&C selling more affordable horns (who doesn't love that?) or if they need to survive and grow their business (good for them!). But they could definitely add their very own touches in this horn beside the logo on the bell and the neck. That'd make this horn more special, more distinctive, more R&C, wouldn't it?

In the comments of the video posted above, Sax.co.uk claims that they are made in Italy, but not all parts / processes made in house, they mention the lacquer explicitly.

But it’s interesting to see they claim it’s made in Italy and not assembled in Italy.

But it would be good to find some concrete evidence for one way or another, to put an end to all these questions.

 

[buddy lee]

In the comments of the video posted above, Sax.co.uk claims that they are made in Italy, but not all parts / processes made in house, they mention the lacquer explicitly.

But it’s interesting to see they claim it’s made in Italy and not assembled in Italy.

But it would be good to find some concrete evidence for one way or another, to put an end to all these questions.

Yeah no f’ing way these are “made in Italy” and hitting that price point.

 

[dexdex]

I’m curious too. Are they Italian like Mauriats are French ?

In a country where the origin of a simple bottle of grape juice has to be specified (legal requirement), I'm no fan of those "hidden" origins. Who is trying to cheat whom ?
Building, or giving away loyalty ?
A 3k instrument isn't just a pair of nylon socks.

Selmer or R&C don't stand behind their industrial decisions ? So who can we trust ?


Vergogna !

 

[KennyZ]

I know this is a thread about tenors,
but there is a video of the Performance compared with the Soloista alto, and frankly I found it embarrassing: thin, narrow and shrill sound from the Performance...
Sure, the Soloista costs almost two and a half times, but the comparison is merciless; I wouldn't buy it at all.